It was Serac’s claim that allowing any revolutionary change (by Dolores or any other agent) to the corrupt system would be tantamount to, or inevitably result in, the extinction of humanity. It is not entirely clear to what extent that is supposed to be true (in fact didn’t the AI in the last episode even admit they hadn’t completely taken Dolores into account?), but she never mentioned killing all humans as a goal, only vague talk of revolution.
I’m surprised you consider William as a possible good guy, given that he outright stated his purpose was to wipe out all hosts.
I’m wondering why Solomon was left in place, since the reprogramming facility didn’t seem to be active. And only guarded by seven people.
You may want to re-read who said what, there.
And the word “all” is redundant in any sentence that says “X are” rather than “X can be”, anyway.
Dolores never mentions it, but Bernard reveals that is what her plan is (destroy humanity) - using a human to do it as part of her poetic planning.
I mean there are like 10 hosts left. And his goal is to do so to save humanity - I think he intuitively grasps Dolores’ plan.
She has obviously been manipulating Bernard from the start into doing something (not to mention smuggled him out of the park in the first place), but so far her role for him remains unclear.
Interesting that she could presumably not even rely on herself, as Charlotte losing her shit and tipping off Maeve demonstrated.
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My wife and I have seen 6 episodes of this season and here is our take. We’ve read nothing about it, so perhaps we are in the minority:
**It’s super boring, hard to follow, and I can’t believe we wait two years for this. **
I guess we’ll watch this season to the end, but this show has rapidly declined. I am obligation-watching it at this point. I don’t know what is going on, I don’t care about almost anyone, and it is so much worse that it used to be.
I loved season 1.
Bernard at least believes that’s her plan.
He’s been mistaken before. And she has been intentionally misleading and manipulating him.
You are not the only one.
I feel the same. Its a crap season. I thought season 2 was the bottom of the barrel but the producers showed me I was wrong.
Amen, brother.
I was OK with season 2. OK, but not thrilled. This season has revealed to me they have no idea what is going on. I will only watch season 4 if the reviews are through the roof.
This episode follows the pattern of previous episodes:
Character slowly, quietly and breathily says five words.
30 seconds of violin music.
Character slowly, quietly and breathily says five words.
30 seconds of piano music.
Character slowly, quietly and breathily says five words.
So, Dolores sez she had to kill everyone at that party as it was self defense.
Look, all Dolores had to do is find a guest, make a clone of him, kill that one guest (and I daresay there were numerous guests that were pretty nasty pieces of work) and take over that ID, and walk out of the park. If she wanted to, she could bring along the balls of her other special robots, and build closed bodies for them- as indeed she appeared to do (she just built more for “herself” but…) and they could all live happily ever after.
And yes, Seracs plan now doesnt seem so innocent- sure he has saved the world- which is noble and great- but at the cost of like 1000 non conformists that had to be re-educated or frozen. But as the AI said- if he didnt- the world would end and all humanity. If it meant the end of all human life on earth vs that of 1000 or so oddballs- I’d have to go with Serac- distasteful as it might be. The thing is, this differs from most megalomaniac’s plans who think their plan is the only way to save humanity- Serac’s plan really is. Hmm.
Of course a* Magic gun* for Dolores, one with a invisible drone that no one can see, that can fly thru closed windows, and then shoot around corners. :dubious:
PRetty much everything wrong with TV drama today was summed up in the last scene, where William threatens to kill Bernard and the ugliest Hemsworth brother.
- He had already said he was going to straight up murder them if they didn’t kill him first. WHY he said this cannot be explained; it made no sense.
- They chose not to kill him because “we might need him later.” There is no apparent reason why that might be the case.
- They then let him wander off unattended.
- He then returns with a shotgun and announces his intent to kill them, as he had promised. Cut to the credits.
Next week a reason for him not to kill them will arise. It will be silly. This means, in effect, that Ed Harris - and next weel likely all of them - will be alive **only because they all acted in a way that didn’t make any sense. ** It did not make sense for Williams to state his intention to kill them, did not make any sense for them NOT to kill him once he said that, made no sense for them to let him wander off.
Dolores and Jesse Pinkman, at least, can be fanwanked away as her being a messianaic psycho and him just being screwed up in the ol’ bean. Maeve has her reasons, so exactly where she is at any given time is just baffling. The French guy is just a standard Rich Villain. Sooner or later, though, they will, too, behave in a way that is totally, bizarrely illogical.
I complained about this a lot in my little thread on “Star Trek Discovery,” in which everyone does shit that make no sense given their own motivations, but it’s remarkably common in TV shows now. I cannot really say why, because this is kind of a cardinal rule in screenwriting; the characters behave in a way consistent with what they desire. If you watch almost any movie - it doesn’t matter which one, it could be Jaws, Dirty Harry, The Hangover, whatever - the characters act in a way that appears to be designed to achieve their goals. Their goals may be STUPID, like the mayor in Jaws, or evil, like Scorpio in Dirty Harry, but they make sense to that character. (I just watched 1917, and that is nothing BUT two hours of people acting in a manner precisely geared towards the accomplishment of what they want.) In Westworld they often don’t, or if they do the reasoning is never explained or on screen, and I’m seeing that more and more in TV.
I’m watching “Watchmen,” and to be honest I don’t think I like it very much, but I will say this; every character so far is behaving logically, given their motivations. There remain many mysteries to be revealed (I don’t know the story) so some actions are currently mysterious, but none so far are illogical - and I’m so refreshed by a show where people act that way that that alone might make me like it.
By the way, in that last scene, were they at a gas station? And were the cars in the background ones that would be decades old today? Where was that supposed to be?
I agree with this as well. I just want to add that any show presents us with an universe with its own rules and laws and we expect things to happen in a logical way according to them which doesnt happen in westworld. Holes are presented to suit the plot.
Theres numerous example this season but just to give an example, why is an Emp generator in that big room that wipes out Dolores and Maeve at the end of the episode? Or why such an important facility is only guarded by a couple stormtroopers when Serac knows what Dolores is after?
Then we have the filler, my goodness look how they stretched Caleb story for the whole episode when 10 minutes would be more than enough and for what reason?
Watching the fight scene between Dolores and Mave, I honestly had no idea whatsoever which one the series expects us to be rooting for. One? The other? Both? Neither? The writing and characteristization is completely muddled and I am deep within the eight deadly words.
The director’s commentary said something along the lines of you are expected to regard both as tragic victims manipulated by the corrupt system into fighting each other.
BTW even though the EMP fried them both, I will be surprised if we do not see them all fixed up by next episode…
And why a facility with an important mission like controlling the entire world held in open warehouse surrounded by chicken wire fences instead of an underground fortress built into the side of a Mesa like the Westworld theme park show buildings?
And why was Dolores and Maeve’s pet drones such terrible shots? The best Maeve’s gunship (which looked cool AF) could do was blow off Dolores arm instead of throwing a thousand rounds per minute at her.
And if the EMP was capable of frying those hosts, not to mention Solomon, why didn’t it fry the electronic device given to Caleb?
I don’t think the EMP was supposed to reach all the way down into the basement. It was supposed to neutralize Solomon, if he got too dangerous, but I’d think they wouldn’t want to also kill all the outliers on ice at the same time.
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