Okay, since the tide has turned somewhat to the point where we are okay with talking about stereotypes, let me throw in something uncomfortably stereotypical and yet totally true. I spend a ridiculous amount of time browsing Chinese boards for practice, and I have seen quite a few discussions by Hong Kong girls about the wonder that is the western penis, including the implication by some that that would be a major factor in deciding, if not who to marry, at least who to get screwed by in return for drinks next weekend.
Now as a white guy I can’t get TOO upset about this idea continuing to go around, but don’t get me wrong, I’m not at all pleased to report this. (this is a segment of my current potential dating pool, after all, and I’m not thrilled that a chunk of them would just be out for my [imagined only] enormous penis) I’m not saying this is what’s an all or most girls’ minds, but I’ve seen it too much to blow it off.
Also, in places like Hong Kong and Singapore where people are OBSESSED with English, showing off western friends or boyfriends is often (while not the conscious motive in forming such relationships- at least, I hope) at least in part a way of saying “look at how great my English is, I must be really well educated and high class and on my way to making loads of money.”
Sorry if I’m a little cynical about Asia and Hong Kong in particular. One of those days.
I’d like to know where you people who claim that other races consider the white race to be superior are getting this information. Can one of you provide ONE reputable cite to back up tht claim? If not, I continue to say bullshit.
It’s not something one can “cite.” I don’t blame you if the idea makes me uncomfortable; it makes me want to puke too, especially when it happens to me, but I can’t deny what I see. However, as noted, it isn’t “racial superiority” that most of us are talking about (won’t speak for Giggle Gaggle as he’s nutty enough that he may well mean that) so much as (real or perceived) class status. That doesn’t mean people will always LIKE you, but they will generally take note of that “status.”
I go out with an Asian female for the simple reason that she decied to go out with me. My friends have used this to create a pattern of women I like, which I find strange as I’ve never noticed a pattern to the women I go out with.
Sometimes, it’s just the way it works out.
However, the Asian woman I see, who is divorced from an Asian man, has told me that she feels there is a perception among white females that Asian males aren’t very passionate and quite dull, which she feels is quite unfair.
Speaking for myself here, but as a Asian female who was born and grew up in Canada, I have never dated a Asian male. It’s mostly because a lot of my male role models were white. Because of this, I’ve grown to be attracted to Caucasian guys rather than Asian guys.
Plus, one look at my brother and I think “Yuck. All Asian guys are like this. Better steer clear.”
Of course, to prevent the Asian guys on here from feeling bad, I know it’s not true, but it’s just a mentality thing.
I doubt your obstenive thoughts give much comfort when your actions still leave certain people feeling lonely and undesirable, especially since you’re just one of millions who do the same.
His conclusions: the wm/af pairing triumphs over am/wf due to a combination of cultural expectations, asian women “marrying up”, media bias, and differences in beauty ideals.
I am a white girl dating an Asian male and many of my white female friends also date Asian males. The reason why there aren’t more of us vary, but in addition to some of what has already been mentioned there is also the fact that males are regarded as more valuable than females in some Asian famillies.
For example, in Korean and Japanese families, it does not matter if their daughters marry white men. They aren’t responsible for carrying on the family line, and white men have a reputation of being rich and easy to control.
However, sons are more important. They have to carry on the family line. Most old-school Koreans and Japanese tend to prefer their sons to marry Korean/Japanese wives. Not only are Asian wives are then expected to stay at home and do all the cleaning and cooking for their husbands. (My boyfriend’s parents expect me to clean, cook and do his laundry.)
White women are viewed as sex objects. I’ve seen plenty of Japanese/Korean/Chinese music videos and white women are the “girl” in more of them then Asian women. But, as parents still have a lot of say, Asian women are still viewed as better wives.
Of course, I know a lot of Asian guys who won’t date other Asians because they say they are too submissive, but then again, I know some Asian girls who have complete control of their relationship.
From what I have heard, read and discussed with Asians, it’s not that whites are considered superior, just that white men are considered 1) richer 2) easier to contol 3) less demanding. than most Asian men.
Of course, not all Asian girls think this way, etc.
There are some that go after white men though. I’ve heard that Ganguro girls seek out rich white business men to take care of them. There was a coffee table book that my friend had where several were interviewed and this was expressed by more than a few of them.
But be warned, some of these girls are just looking for money/American citizenship/etc. I have known of guys who were taken advantage of. (although I think all of them got what they deserved.)
I think you might have read that wrong. But nonetheless, I apologize if there are hurt feelings hanging around. What I meant was that while I’m not attracted to Asian guys because of how I grew up, there are many other girls out there who are and much more worthy of your time.
I can’t believe some of the statements made in this thread!
“Asian females are submissive and they consider whites as superior!”
What a bunch of bs! And this POV is based on what??!!
You know if you’re perceived as rich and you venture to places where there’s poverty (or where prostitution is socially “acceptable”) you will become sexually “attractive!” I’d like to see these assertions be put in context and not be based on some unsubstantiated anecdotes.
This has been explained about five times but I’ll try about crack at it anyway. “Marrying up” has nothing to do with racial superiority, but improving one’s economic status. Whites (Westerners in general, actually) typically have a very high standard of living compared to most of the rest of the world. If given the chance, most people would choose to improve their standard of living.
Women, historically, are more prone to “marrying up” into higher economic circles than men are. A Filipina living in a poverty-stricken neighborhood, for example, might find marrying a white male an easy way to get out of the Philippines and thereby improve her standard of living.
If this system were not set up, we wouldn’t see the hundreds of “mail-order bride” sites peddling young, pretty asian girls to wealthier, usually older Westerners. The asian girls are marketed as “traditional”, “submissive”, “exotic”, etc. to appeal to the men. The Westerners buy into the fantasy, and the asian girls get a green card.
Of course, it’s not only asian women who get this treatment. Russian women and women from the former USSR are also well-represented on those “mail-order bride” websites. All they’re doing is marketing themselves to escape poverty.
On the other hand, you’ll not see much flow from the opposite direction. You’ll find precious few white american women flying to the Philippines to take up residence with their Filipino honeys. If they do fall in love with a Filipino, he’s more likely to move to America – once again, up the standard of living. And it’s not only Westerners who do this. There’s a sizable movement of eligible asian women from the Philippines and other poorer countries who “marry up” with Japanese men. In that case, it has little or nothing to do with race. It’s about moving from poverty to wealth.
You won’t get a cite, **bbart4 - ** I agree that (however ugly it may be) women may choose to be with a different race for some perceived financial improvement in their lives. I don’t buy into the concept that anyone of a non-white race thinks whites are racially superior.
I think you need to establish also which you are talking about to make any kind of rationalization–Asian American women/White American male couples or an Asian woman from a different country/culture. There is a big difference in culture between these groups and there are also many Asian American families in the US that are not economically inferior to whites by any means. Not all of the Asian women you see dating white men come from poverty or other countries…
This is of course true. People are attracted to other people for different reasons, be it cultural, economic, physical, you name it. But why generalize? And why take the leap and conclude that the Asian women think that white is a superior race? That’s what I have problem with. If someone makes an outrageous claim like that I want proof.
My wife of 7 years is Asian. She grew up in Hong Kong.
I really get a chuckle out of people who think Asian women are docile and subservient. Um, no. Believe me, she’s assertive and speaks her mind. More often that myself, in fact.
I must also admit (not surprisingly) that I am attracted to Asian women. Why? Hmm. Others have already hit on this topic pretty well. Suffice to say, I think Asian women, when compared to their Caucasian counterparts in the U.S., are on average…
