I would say that regardless of their veracity, stereotypes do have an impact. If asian women are perceived as being more submissive and kinkier, well, there’s going to be more guys going after them, even if it’s not true. If white guys are perceived as being less dominating, they’ll be more attractive, even if it’s not true. And culturally, white males have had a longer history to prepare them for pretending to be sensitive and caring long enough to get some.
See ladies, there’s a stab at guys to counterbalance my being a pig in the untouched girls thread.
It’s like crime. Certain white people don’t get nervous in minority neighborhoods because they went out, compiled statistics, polled the community, and decided it was an unsafe neighborhood. There’s a stereotype that minorities are dangerous, and that stereotype causes people to behave as though it’s true. What we’re talking about here is not the merits of the stereotypes, its the resulting behavior.
Plus, and don’t start throwing things here, asian girls are kinda cute. Don’t ask me to explain the vagaries of human attraction, I don’t know why. I don’t know why redheads top brunettes, I don’t know what the deal with height is, but them’s the breaks.
It strikes me that the best way to win someone’s heart is not by telling them “you owe me.”
If asian females feel like asian males are telling them “it is your duty to date asian males”, it is no surprise they might be reluctant to date asian males.
It’s all attitude. An asian male who accepts that he is not “owed” anything, and just puts himself out there, will almost certainly have a lot more dating success.
I think the reasons are more biological than anything. For whatever reason, Asian features on a girl are more attractive (in general) to white guys than Asian features on a guy are to white girls. And I think this is the same reason you see more black male/white female couples than white male/black female couples.
I can say that (as a white guy) I’m not attracted to Asian girls because of any belief that they’re “submissive” (I actually don’t want a submissive girlfriend/wife!) I’m not attracted because they’re somehow “exotic” in bed. And I don’t think they’ll bear me some genius children because “Asians are smart.” I’m just attracted to them, and always have been.
Similarly, for whatever reason, I’m very rarely attracted to black girls. It has nothing to do with stereotypes about black people – it’s just that, for whatever reason, they don’t do anything for me. I know it’s a small sample size, but from discussions with white male friends over the years, they have similar feelings. For some reason, Asian girls do it for them, and black girls don’t.
I think the problem here is that we’re using the word “white”, when really what is mean is “western”.
Undeniably in this part of the world, there is a difference between “western” salaries and “asian” (=subcontinental) salaries. Where an indian man might be paid US$1000-1500/month, a european man would probably get US$5000+. There are no racial equality laws, anything like that.
Generally speaking, “western” white collar labour is exported east, while “asian” blue collar labour is exported west. Obviously there are exceptions. But most people travelling from New York to Hong Kong for work are going to be going into high-status, corporate jobs. By contrast take the Philippines - where the majority of filipino expats (at least here in the Middle East) work in far lower-paid service jobs - from MacDonalds to housemaiding.
Why are westerners paid more than asians (and I belive africans) here? The main reason is because they come from countries that are economically advanced and they speak English natively. You can’t provide exact cites for this form of institutionalised/nationalised racism. I can tell you (shocking) things I’ve heard, but that would just be anecdotal. But were you to look in the Classified Appointments at http://www.GulfNews.com - you would get an idea of the intensive discrimination going on.
You have definately gotta be joking right? Just because your wife is Asian doesn’t mean you have the ‘upper hand’ on everyone else, and from my experience, Asian women have more problems than White women in the manners and mental department. Less bitchy! Jesus, most Asian women I’ve met have been nothing but bitchy.
The fact of the matter is, there is no stereotype that fits anyone anymore, the stereotypical images of Asians and whatnot originated from the 19th century, let it rest there would you please?
And as for marrying up the social ladder, it is sad but true. It happened in the Middle ages in Western society, eg the Hapsburgs and how the whole of Western Europe’s royal families in the early 1900’s became related to each other, so it is necessarily not a new thing.
Huh? Okay, this is kind of off the main point, but it’s so puzzling I have to say something. I don’t really go for popular music and don’t really watch music videos, but I’ve flipped past a fair number lot of Hong Kong/Taiwanese/Korean MVs, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a white person in one, let alone as “the girl,” and DEFINITELY not more than Asian women.
I do. They may not believe it consciously, but there is often this perception of such. For example, Filipinos in America often speak about “colonial mentality” – that is, this perception that things from the USA are intrinsically better, and that people with Caucasian blood are to be admired.
Two reasons; they are all thin (you need to visit Thailand or Hong Kong or any Asian country to see what I mean – which also means they look femanine ): and they still know what it means to be a women. LOL
I know ‘colonial mentality’ still exists in some parts of the world. I know it existed in Indonesia, for instance. Years ago (maybe a decade ago), there were some stories that you could only get good service from Indonesian Airlines if you’re white. But colonial mentality isn’t the same as the feeling of racial inferiority.
But this phenomenon is diminishing. It is a fact that in some parts of the world, whites (or westerners) are seen as rich, more advanced, etc. thereby westerners are perceived to have better chance of winning the mating game in the developing world.
I am still not convinced that ethnic women seek out whites to go up the “racial ladder.”
Well, according to my wife (who is Chinese), the answer is simply a matter of height preferences:
Of course, I keep telling my wife that she cannot make generalized assumptions for over one billion people based solely on her personal experiences, but that doesn’t get me very far…
You didn’t read the second link, then. The first article spoke in terms of a general infatuation with things Western – specifically, Western goods. The second article spoke specifically and extensively about harboring admiration toward people with Caucasian blood in them.
Well hot damn, I am glad my being white has obviously made me less intelligent, a total bitch, spoiled, anti-family, uglier and fatter, immoral and mentally ill.
Could you throw in a few more racial prejudices, please? You haven’t quite hit my quota of ‘White people are <negative stereotype>.’ for the day.
The fact may be that your wife is intelligent, not a bitch, not spoiled, family oriented, pretty and thin, has great morals, and a sound mind, but that is not something that is part and parcel with being Asian.
It reads like a large list of race based ignorances.
Lessee… Japanese bands and singers that use mostly white women in their videos…
X-Japan, L’arc~en~ciel, Malice Mizer, Gackt, Dir en grey, Buck-tick (they used a black woman in one actually.). That’s what I can think of off of the top of my head. A lot of “Visual Kei” bands have a thing for French women.
As for Chinese, one of my friends had a crush on a popular Chinese Pop star. He made me watch all of his music videos. In all of them, white girls were the object of the video except for one where there was a White man harassing an Asian girl. He also had this one video that had this white female cheerleader where he dissed on white men.
Koreans, I have seen more female Korean artists than male Korean artists. And one of those female Koreans artists, Harisu, had a white man as the object of love in one of her videos.
I think that whites are viewed as all exotic and interesting or something. I can’t imagine any other reason for why I would see so many of them in Asian music videos.
You didn’t read my response to the ‘colonial mentality’ phenomenon then. I know very well what ‘colonial mentality’ phenomenon is. Again as I said I just don’t see that as the same as feeling racially inferior. Insecure, probably. Any race can admire and adore another race (culture would make better sense though) without feeling racially inferior.
What about those suburban white kids who hang around with blacks with their rap music, baggy jeans, chains, etc? They do admire their black friends, I suppose. But I do not take the leap and say that they feel they are racially inferior!
I most certainly did read your response. I just happened to disagree with it, and cited the article in question as evidence of Asian cultures which do misguidedly treat Caucasians as being superior.
You also said that “your articles imply snobbery toward foreign goods and/or insecurities; not really of racial inferiority” which is inaccurate. The second article most certainly does talk about how Caucasians are treated as being superior in Filipino culture.