I'm fat according to you so, what? You hate me?

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Diane – no, the scale is just one of the tools I use to track my progress. That’s why if I have a really deep week of weight lifting and I gain weight I’m fairly certain that it’s muscle.

And yet again the point of this thread got lost a long time ago. This is about WHY people feel the need to yell nasty things at overweight people.

As of yet, not one of the weight-bashing posters have addressed that issue. They have not said that they engage in this activity but they won’t discuss the issue either. I’ve read a few shades of “it’s encouragement” but I can’t imagine that anyone out here really believes that. That’s like encouraging a D grade student by telling them that they are stupid.

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I think it has been addressed, albeit in a round-about fashion. It’s the same reason that Diane accused me of being ugly - people are cruel. There are a variety of reasons: Some believe gluttony to be a sin, some are insecure about their own bodies and go on the attack as a form of defense, and others just like to laugh at another’s expense.

I don’t insult anybody unprovoked. If you provoke me, though, I will not hold back. I will use your weight against you.

Hell is Other People.

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Not too surprising when it is obvious of the mentality we are dealing with.

Sake - I know this is over your head, but when I was refering to your ugly appearance, I meant you, as a person.

You are ugly.

>^,^<
KITTEN
Please tell your pants it’s not polite to point.

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I stand corrected. Muscles do not turn into fat, exactly, but when unused, they atrophy and some WILL BE REABSORBED.

You mouthy boneheads out there ranting at me for stating my personal opinion concerning your weight forget one little thing. No where in any of my posts did I state that I felt my opinions should be forced on other people. No where did I state that I hated fat people. No where did I state that I normally make my opinions public.

To respond to the dickweed comments concerning the guy who divorced his wife for getting too fat. One person said he was a slug because if he loved her, he would love her in any form. Well, same for her. She KNEW going into the relationship that he had this thing for fat women. She knew it up front. Some guys and gals are like that. After staying trim through their courtship and through two years of marriage, she just stopped and got really fat. Now, I could also say that she is a slug for not loving him enough to stay trim, especially knowing his ‘phobia’ over fat.

Did you cretins think about that?

Now, for a couple of other morons. I want to point out a difference. There are BIG people and there are FAT people. The picture prior to this post is fat. John Candy was FAT. Anna Nicole Smith is BIG. Big is being in proportion for the human body, only larger. Fat is expanding beyond the norm in the middle, sagging in globs along the arms and the legs and, especially in women, the ass.

A man weighing in at 250 to 300 pounds who pumps iron and packs on muscle tissue is BIG. A 250 to 300 pound man who overflows his belt, forms that ‘pillow’ form under his belt, has huge flabby arms and massive chins is FAT!

So you Big people, fuck off! I’m not talking about you.

Kids. I know about baby fat. I also know about early obesity. There are a lot of FAT kids today. Moreso than in the 1950s and 60’s and even the medical profession has noted this. If I had a child, he or she would not be allowed to lazily get fat. I know scores of parents who let junior sit at the computer or on the video game hour after hour and allow him to chow down on fattening foods and candy and watch his waist line expand. My philosophy is take away the friggin’ game when they spend too much time on it. Go play outside. (I hate sports, but I remained in good shape riding bikes, climbing trees, hiking, wrestling with friends, running places, camping, fishing and so on.) Take away the friggin’ snacks. I carry candy and cookies for my 8 year old niece but that stops if she starts getting fat BUT her folks have conditioned her to take only just so much candy and then stop. Plus they have encouraged her to like raw vegetables, fruits and juices. Oh, she eats garbage just like any kid, but doesn’t pig out on it. Plus she plays hard.

If fat was not a problem, then there would not be a billion dollar a year business here in getting rid of it.

PLUS, TIME AND TIME AGAIN YOU MOUTHY MORONS IGNORE THE SIMPLE FACTS WHICH I HAVE STATED TIME AND TIME AGAIN. THE FAT FOLK I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ARE THOSE TOO FRIGGIN’ LAZY TO TAKE IT OFF. NOT – AGAIN FOR YOU SIMPLETONS – NOT THOSE WHO ARE HEFTY BECAUSE OF A PHYSICAL OR MENTAL PROBLEM.

GEEZ! Try turning on your brain before you open your mouths. The obvious hostility indicates that your insecurities are showing.

Mark
“Think of it as Evolution in action.”

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Okay you fucking retard, what part of “It is none of your business if they lose weight or not!” don’t you understand? Maybe they are comfortable with the way they are. Don’t like it? Don’t look. SIMPLE!

Am I the only one here who thinks that this entire debate has flown right over Mark’s head?

HELLO!?!?! Are you on the same sheet of music here??? Why don’t you respond to the topic instead of going out into left field?

>^,^<
KITTEN
Please tell your pants it’s not polite to point.

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I gotta ask -

Those who haven’t a clue what the topic of this debate is, raise your hand.

(I’m trying, Byz.)

>^,^<
KITTEN
Please tell your pants it’s not polite to point.

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Diane – thanks! I know, I know, it keeps going on and on. What is his thing about heavy children? He’s really stuck on that. It’s weird. He should open his own thread called “Why Johnny is fat” or something.

Sake Samurai – thank you. That is what I wanted to discuss. I’m glad you are not one of those people who feel compelled to yell things or even say them to people just minding their own business. When provoked I can understand throwing anything you can. That is just human nature. It isn’t very nice but I’m sure all of us have done the same.

MarkSerlin – “So you Big people, fuck off! I’m not talking about you.” Um, does that include me or not? That is part of my point. Where do you draw the line? Where does my being “big” become “fat”?

MarkSerlin – “GEEZ! Try turning on your brain before you open your mouths. The obvious hostility indicates that your insecurities are showing.” Uh, is it just me or does this fit you? I’ve re-read this entire thread. I had a few lines of outright hostility at you and so did others. But for the most part it has been a very rational placing of points. YOU are the one spewing out lines in all caps. Who is hostile here?

I’ve tried, again and again, to understand what you are saying by asking you directly. You don’t seem to be responding to me in the same manner. Okay, fine. I’m not going to fling anymore insults or nasty names at you. There is no point.

For the last time: are you saying that you feel compelled to fling rude comments at people who are just minding their own business? Do you think this kind of activity is justified? That’s all I’m asking you.

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Not ONLY does Mark not have a clue, he’s the only one consistently insulting everybody and calling them names.

Mark, if you’re going to claim you’re only flaming a few, proper proceedure in the Pit is to name names instead of just calling them so we can get out the popcorn and rotten tomatoes to view the spat properly.

Yep, we’re keepin Mullinator and Atrael. Course, at 6’9", I am keeping Mullinator and not sharing. Go away. You, come here. Change that lightbulb! heh.

Opal’s a babe, just gotta face it. She and I both had a lot of the same problems, and I went from itty bitty skinny http://www.second-troy.com/images/suze2.gif (5’5" 105 lbs) to now http://www.second-troy.com/images2/goldf0026.jpg (5’5" 180, taken last night)

I still don’t think Mark gets it. He can’t see that being openly offensive about his opinions is, well … offensive.

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I just gotta say Suz - GORGEOUS! And I’m talking about the second pic!

>^,^<
KITTEN
Please tell your pants it’s not polite to point.

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MarkSerlin wrote:

I went on a diatribe once. But it was a constant strain, and I couldn’t keep it up forever. And when I went off it, I gained back more weight than I had lost in the first place!

Or wasn’t that what you meant?

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Gasp! Diane!! But … but … I’m, gasp, a FAT CHICK!

Blasphemer!

Tee hee.

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Suze? Hon? PLEASE could we share . . .
>vbeg<

-Melin

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Hey, wait a minute…can I share too, please? Melin? Suze? Buds? >eg<

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How do you tell the difference? Seriously. Let’s say you see Gigantic Gina walking down Main St., wearing some spandex stirrup pants. What crosses your mind? I’m sure that most people here assume that it’s something along the lines of, “Geez, what a lard-butt. Shit, if I can keep my weight down, even though I’m partially disabled, she must be one helluva lazy-bones.” Or is it that you think to yourself, “wow, that’s too bad, I’ll bet there’s some deep-seated psychological problem causing her to eat too much. I hope she gets help.”

Seriously, which is it?

Rich

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VegForLife – a good point. You might see someone who is at 250 and never know that they are down from over 400. You might go, “Oh, another lazy butt” without realizing that this person has worked very hard to get where they are and is working on the rest.

That is why it so unfair to yell rude things at someone. You don’t know. Walk a mile in their shoes before you yell a nasty comment.

Best!
Byz

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Byz: It is slightly restrained human nature - I try not to cast the first stone. I will never have the virtue of the pious.

Diane: I see in addition to being fat and opinionated, you are foul-mouthed and dim. We can play name-calling games if you’d like. Perhaps this is your way of healing from the slings and arrows others have hurled at you throughout the years.

Remember that your aborted soul has no capacity for comprehending my inner beauty.

You are the Handmaiden of Reeking Gynecological Abnormality.

The Sow that suckled one thousand diseases.

All of the Poetry in the World can not redeem you.

Hell is Other People.

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{{I recently saw a documentary on Marilyn Monroe. One of the things that surprised me was that for most of Marilyn’s stardom, she ranged between a size 2 to size 8. She only looked voluptuous due to her curves and the camera, but she was actually a small woman. I wish I could remember the exact dress sizes, but the documentary stated that the dress she wore in Gentlemen Prefer Blonde as well as the dress she wore during her Happy Birthday Mr. President performance were a size 6 (or something close). Also, let’s not forget that her measurements were 37-23-36, hardly a size 14.}}

Actually, in my teens/early 20s I measured 38-26-39, and wore a size 7 (or 5 or 9) in jeans, but I had to wear a size 16/18 in tops and dresses.

As for criticisms about fat clothing…I used to work in a retail store that specialized in large women’s clothes. It was at best difficult and at worst impossible to find clothes that fit well, flattered, and didn’t cost the earth. Most larger sizes were simply scaled up from “normal” sizes. This means that the proportions were wrong. I don’t find spandex attractive on fat people, either, but it’s certainly not one of my pet peeves. As I said, it’s VERY hard to find clothes that fit in larger sizes. If you don’t like to look at fat people in spandex, develop something that is as comfortable.

How can anyone tell, just by looking at me, that I need steroid shots regularly? How can anyone tell that I have an old knee injury, that happened when I was skinny? How can anyone tell that I have arthritis, asthma, allergies, congestive heart failure, and a host of other problems? How can anyone tell that I take at least a dozen different prescription medications each day, and some of them have been proven to cause weight gain?

I see some guys that I drool over. But I wouldn’t consider them as potential mates. I’d rather have an “ugly” (fat, bald, whatever) mate who I cared for and who cared for me over some pretty boy.

Lynn the Packrat

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Well, Sake, dear, from your sig, you will be in Hell forever on this planet comprised of many people, of all shapes and sizes. And the better part graced with the infinite poetry of kindness. But it doesn’t matter how sweet tongued it is when it falls on ears as deaf as yours. Hold the flames, folks, this guy’s already burnt to a cinder!

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Suzanne! You’re the Red Head! I just visited your site and cam for the first time last night and had no idea I was looking at a Doper! DUH! :slight_smile:

Guess I don’t have a point, except, Hi! And, I’m watching you…

“I hope life isn’t a big joke, because I don’t get it,” Jack Handy

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I am amazed at this. For the record, Diane, I am NOT Mark, so flame me for what I say and not for what he says. Let’s take this all one item at a time. (I’ll type slow for you, Diane, since you more than anyone, are as closed-minded as anyone I’ve ever read out here. Just because you may be fat and accept fat people doesn’t make you Ghandi)

Opalcat says:

Good question. I don’t think so, though. I just followed it. I thought the original question by Byzantine was a good one. And she asked something I was curious about, i.e. the public humiliation of Linda Tripp. So let’s address that for a moment. I was amazed at what was permitted to go on about Linda Tripp, but I think that the answer lies more with one’s political slant than one’s concern over her weight (I’m referring to the media here, not you ladies who may have related to her differently.) Of you heavy women, how many were truly enraged when the book “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot” came out? I know people who thought this to be hilarious, mainly because they hated Rush’s point of views… Fine… Tell me, how loud would people scream if a book came out that was titled “Hillary Clinton Has a Fat Ass and Large Legs”. To me, these two incidents point out the hypocracy which is this country’s liberal left… “we accept everyone, as long as you think like us.” Seems to me a lot of you people feel the same way in this pit. I keep reading “We’ll keep him! You are one of us! Get rid of the assholes!” Makes me wonder about your hypocracy, and why you can’t see in yourselves what you accuse others of being… narrow-minded, insensitive, and incapable of seeing anyone’s point of view but your own. One’s honesty, no matter how distasteful to you, is how they feel. Trust me, we all think things that are distasteful to others. Even you perfect, angry, overweight women.

Also, why is it perfectly acceptable to some of you to call someone a “fucking asshole” or “a loon”, (insulting their personality or mental capacity… even if it’s true) and you are offended if someone calls you a big tub of goo? (even if it’s true) Hmmm…

With that said, my original post was responding to the 2 pages of society-blaming, life-is-unfair, I’m-fat-notice-me-and-love-me crap that I read through.

To answer Byzantine, (and the rest of you), no I don’t think it’s right to say rude things to people. I also think that a person can wear what they choose to in public. I don’t have to like it, and I can and do think things to myself. I don’t, however, verbalize my thoughts. Most people don’t. The ones that do are rude. Finally, I do think that fat people are discriminated against… just like countless other groups. It makes you no different than any of them. If someone doesn’t like you, they don’t like you, if you are fat, thin, short, fat, black, white, or whatever. Like I said… the world is unfair… get in line with the rest of us.

Think I don’t know what you are talking about? Cry to someone else. I was fat. I have been called that in public, by friends and family. I know how that feels. The kicker? My Grandmother (who weighed in at a svelt 300 easy) saw me during a holiday and the first thing she said was, “MY GOD, YOU ARE FAT!” Well, there were three different courses of action I could have taken. 1) anger (and you bet I went in that direction first), 2) acceptance (yeah, I know I’m fat but I’m ok with it), or 3) action (yeah, she’s right… I’m fat and I need to do something about it). After #1, I chose #3.

Like JillGat, I resent people telling me how lucky I am. While I bust my ass in the gym, or skip that dessert, they are living it up, eating like there’s no tomorrow. And then complaining that they “just look at food and gain weight”, while I don’t. Christ! Think I wouldn’t want to eat that bucket of chicken wings? How about a couple of donuts in the morning, or that juicy Whopper for lunch! (my personal favorite). I’ve had to give up a lot of things to discipline myself and change my eating habits. My choice.

Choose to live how you want. Dress how you want. Accept who you are and be done with it. But don’t expect the world to change because you want it to. You don’t have to like me or my opinions, but in the same vein, I don’t have to like how you look or how you dress. Neither does anyone else… and you shouldn’t expect them to.

Should you have to deal with rude people People without compassion? Well, in a perfect world, I’d say no. But you folks out there claiming tolerance… think about this for a minute. Say you had to sit next to someone in the office that had a flatulence problem… couldn’t help it. Just farted all day… nasty gas, too. Think you could turn the other cheek and smile, or would smelling someone’s gas all day offend you? (I ask this because it was a problem in my last office… and let me tell you, there wasn’t too much love and understanding going on.) Wait! You say that’s different?? Why? It’s a medical problem! Can’t control it! The person KNOWS they are farting… knows other people are looking and making faces… and even if they could control it, who are YOU to say that they can’t fart in the office?

I don’t create social norms… I live with them just like all of you. And like it or not, we all tend to feel different when we know we don’t fit in that “norm”.

I’ll answer the angry Diane in her other post… but please… I need to pace myself. I have a job. Can we pick one place to flame? :slight_smile:

Just call me Mr. Sensitivity