Biotop certainly doesn’t look good, but I see him more as a Town player letting the game get under his skin too much.
I think Biotop makes a good case against Hooker. Let’s hope they listen to him!
Ha! It’s all down to snfaulkner now! Good luck, buddy! Sorry I accused you of being a Wolf.
If it were me, I would probably vote for Hooker.
I’ve changed my mind re: Biotop. I think the final scum is Hooker.
I wonder why Hooker didn’t vote Biotop.
Because Hooker isn’t scum?
The obvious scum move would be to vote to make a Townie have 2 votes. I suppose a scummy Hooker might have wanted to avoid ‘looking’ scummy in putting a second vote on Biotop, but I don’t think it would have looked all that scummy if Hooker had done so.
I actually think DeadCat is looking scummy now. At least in switching vote just now. I haven’t looked back at the game entirely. I don’t like how willing DeadCat is in switching vote.
I thought exactly the same thing. There’s almost NO reason for a townie Dead Cat to switch votes at this point. There’s a huge hammer worth of reason for a scum Dead Cat to do so.
Town has two advantages in this game(generally speaking), numbers and time. The days are long and the nights are short, so Town has to milk their advantages and keep the dialogue flowing to allow wolves to slip up. Trying to shorten day cycles(short of something like Mahaloth’s wolf claim) is a scum tell IMHO.
I’m still thinking HookerChemical, but WOW did Dead Cat just ping my scumdar with that move. Is it the patient, and now lone, scum feeling the pressure of the endgame? Or is it a townie just wanting it to be over and abdicating responsibility for how it ends by jumping on a bandwagon? I’m inclined towards the former, but at lynch or lose I’ve seen townies do strange things.
Good on snfaulkner for taking his role seriously and giving the decision the time and weight it deserves.
Enjoy,
Steven
I’m reconsidering my stance on DeadCat. I had not included the fact that HookerChemical voted for DeadCat. Switching vote to HookerChemical in that respect is a bit of a classic OMGUS move, which in my estimation is a common Town trap. The question is, of course, is DeadCat a Townie overreacting to receiving a vote from HookerChemical or a scum taking advantage of the vote split?
Now my eyes look to Biotop. If I were Biotop and town, I would not be happy with DeadCat’s sudden vote switch. I could see myself removing the vote from HookerChemical. I’m not liking Biotop’s recent posts either. He is blaming his ‘mistakes’ on his own ‘stupidity.’ It’s too disingenuous. “look at me! I was so dumb to believe HookerChemical” It casts blame on HookerChemical while looking like he is excoriating himself.
If Biotop is the last scum, then Town is in a bad place right now, though not too terrible since no matter what happens Today, Town has another 50% chance of winning Tomorrow.
If I were in the game, I’d be looking at the player who is most concerned with ‘looking town.’ At this endgame that would include providing ‘evidence’ of ones own townness. Townies are most concerned with uncovering the last scum. The last scum is most concerned with appearing Town/not getting lynched.
Johnny Bravo, I’m not sure I understand the win condition. I know there has been discussion about it, but I’d like to get some clarification if you have a few minutes.
Here’s what I understand to be the victory conditions.
Number of living players / 2 < Number of living wolves :: Wolf win
Number of living wolf = 0 & Number of living non-wolf > 0 :: Town Win
Number of living players / 2 = Number of living wolves :: Coin Flip for the win
Did I get those right?
Because most games I’ve played/run have the following win conditions.
Number of living players / 2 <= Number of living wolves :: Wolf win
Number of living wolf = 0 & Number of living non-wolf > 0 :: Town Win
The theory here is that a wolf is more than a match for living town and 1-on-1 will kill the townie. It’s only when the town has numerical ADVANTAGE that the wolves hold back. Once that advantage becomes parity the wolves win.
What was the thought process/intention behind the randomness of a coin flip to decide the endgame?
Enjoy,
Steven
Your post has a lot of numbers and symbols and so I only skimmed that part.
Also, I already answered abovethread. The thought process/intention is that I didn’t consider the endgame when I utilized the tiebreaker mechanic. This is the first game I’ve ever run and I goofed. Sorry?
I understand, I had things that went sideways on me the first game I ever ran too. It happens.
Thanks for the reply.
Enjoy,
Steven
Town could no-lynch today. Or the wolf could refuse to kill tonight if they wanted to come down to a 3 person endgame that would have no tie.
I considered the tiebreaker rule as a pro-town factor since unintentional no-lynch days are generally anti-town. This was purposeful because scum had a powerful setup. I didn’t consider the endgame, but the result is another notch in favor of town. The worst part is the potential for an anticlimactic ending, which I feel badly about.
I would expect a Townie Biotop to vacillate more.
Biotop wants the HookerChemical lynch to go though. He states that he’s questioning himself, but those are just words. I’m not convinced that Biotop has the requisite paranoia to be Town.
What snfaulkner really should do is shift the vote to each player just to see how each one reacts. Biotop is very comfortable with HookerChemical in danger. If snfaulkner backed a DeadCat lynch, what would Biotop do?
In my opinion snfaulker is being too passive at this point. One way to play the game is to take in the data and make a decision, but I think at this point snfaulker should be poking the crap out of Biotop, HookerChemical and DeadCat.
I’m thinking about how you could avoid an ending that feels anticlimactic with the current setup. I think the best way to do it would be to say that if it gets down to 2 Town vs. 1 Wolf, the last wolf is permitted to reveal themselves immediately, and announce their final kill right in the game thread. The moderator then flips a coin, and makes a story post describing the final one-on-one combat, and revealing who wins. That seems like a fun way to wrap it up.
Why the hell is snfaulker putting Biotop in the town column?
For me the two most suspicious are DeadCat and Biotop.
I like HookerChemical’s point that DeadCat’s reasoning for a vote switch is terrible. HookerChemical has to choose to vote between DeadCat and Biotop, the only time DeadCat ‘finding HC unconvincing’ that would matter would be if HC was arguing to lynch Biotop. That HC is voting DeadCat makes DeadCat’s ‘agreement’ a non-issue. It might still be OMGUS voting, but it’s still a weak vote.
Since no one else seems willing to lynch Biotop, I guess DeadCat would be my choice for snfaulkner.
I want so badly for Biotop to be Scum, if for no other reason than I can say I was right about someones alignment in this game. I really put in way more effort in this game than I did my first one, since I knew more of what was to be expected of me compared to my old style of play. Here’s hoping I was right.
Go TOWN!
Hooker is coming out with a pretty strong defense against Deadcat.
I am swayed
Here is my recollection of the current Day (I might be wrong since I’m going by memory and not bothering to reread).
DeadCat was first to vote (for Biotop). If I recall, DeadCat included some verbiage regarding what would be the scum plan regarding voting first or not first. I don’t really like that either, but whatever.
Biotop is next to vote.
A scummy Biotop is very much most likely to vote for DeadCat to set HookerChemical to break the tie hopefully in Biotop’s favor. A scummy Biotop is NOT likely to vote for HookerChemical since HookerChemical can’t also vote for HookerChemical.
The existence of snfaulkner messes up this view a bit, but I think it is still a solid reason to lean Town on Biotop. If he’s scum and a Townie opened the Day voting for him, he needs another viable candidate right away and DeadCat would be the best candidate.
Hooker votes ‘last’
A Scummy HookerChemical would simply agree with DeadCat and vote for Biotop. I find it very very difficult to believe a scummy HookerChemical would deliberately set up a 3-way tie, but people have done unexpected things before. I suppose it is possible that a scummy HookerChemical wanted a 3way tie to be then broken by snfaulker (2 in 3 chance of lynching Town), but that’s very short sighted. Dumping 2 votes on Biotop makes for a stronger position.
Then of course there is the DeadCat switch. Super scummy in so many ways.
Wow! I’ve probably have some serious confirmation bias going, but this statement makes no sense to me for a Townie. You know who would be perfectly willing to switch to Biotop? Scum. If HookerChemical is Town, then he has to vote for who he thinks is scum. If HookerChemical is scum, then he could very well try and do what DeadCat suggests. But it only makes sense to do so if HookerChemical is scum!
DeadCat’s behavior and viewpoints are all those that scum should make.