Lost 3.22 "Through the Looking Glass" (SPOILERS)

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[QUOTE=el_nombre]
Third, Bernard, what the hell? You blew it!!! Everyone else did good this episode except you. I don’t even want want to look at you anymore. Please leave.
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It was Jin who screwed up, not Bernard.

I still think Locke is in the casket because there’s no way Ben would evoke such tears and anguish from Jack. It was the article in the paper (presumably the obituary) that caused Jack to consider jumping off the bridge. I think Locke is one of the few people whose death might bring home the magnitude of the wrongness of leaving the island.

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Favorite line of the night:

“It’s Charlie. Tell him I said ‘Hi.’”

:smiley:

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Any speculation on how the hell they’re going to make this thing last 3 more years?

We know they end up rescued now. The ship just 80 miles away knows where they are and they’re on their way. How long could it possibly take for them to get to the island? A couple hours?

I hope it’s more of a scientific research vessel or something that’s been looking for the island, and they spend a season investigating the island with the Losties before taking them all back home. I can’t imagine I’d be too interested in 3 more years of dealing with everyone off the island. There’s still a lot about the island I want to know.

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[QUOTE=wasson]
Any speculation on how the hell they’re going to make this thing last 3 more years?

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By only having 12 episodes per season from now on.

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[QUOTE=Rubystreak]
It was Jin who screwed up, not Bernard.
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Both did in their own ways. Jin’s was understandable; he tried to hit a small target at range with a pistol while Sayid and Bernard had rifles. He certainly got awfully close. The ease with which he took out the men after the plan went to pot suggests he’s more used to shooting human-sized targets, too.

But Bernard cracked like an egg when they threatened to kill Jin and told them everything, in effect selling out his wife along with the rest of the survivors. Pretty sure that’s what el_nombre meant.

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[QUOTE=wasson]
Any speculation on how the hell they’re going to make this thing last 3 more years?

We know they end up rescued now. The ship just 80 miles away knows where they are and they’re on their way. How long could it possibly take for them to get to the island? A couple hours?

I hope it’s more of a scientific research vessel or something that’s been looking for the island, and they spend a season investigating the island with the Losties before taking them all back home. I can’t imagine I’d be too interested in 3 more years of dealing with everyone off the island. There’s still a lot about the island I want to know.
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Bingo - please refer to my earlier post about this being the best series finale they could’ve done!

If this were ‘truly’ the series finale, I would be satisfied… waiting until next febuary? I seriously doubt the majority of viewers will remember anything or even bother to tune in. This show works on keeping the excitment mystery going… any lag time hurts, and hurts badly (reference this past hiatus and the viewership)

Clearly, however, the boat ‘won’t’ rescue them or something… perhaps Claire and the Baybee get on a copter and ‘disappear’ leaving the others behind… who knows… they’ll find a way to drag it on out.

3 seasons was about as long as this show really had in it… IMHO.

(and for others… wooosh ensues)

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[QUOTE=simster]

Clearly, however, the boat ‘won’t’ rescue them or something… perhaps Claire and the Baybee get on a copter and ‘disappear’ leaving the others behind… who knows… they’ll find a way to drag it on out.

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I figure that it is fairly obvious that the ‘rescue boat’ is actually a Dharma invasion force come to take back the island. The wrench in the plan is that now Penny Widmore is hot on the trail. The Losties are stuck in the middle. They could drag this out for years and years, especially now that we can have flash forwards as well as flash backs.

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[QUOTE=UncleRojelio]
By only having 12 episodes per season from now on.
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16 episodes per season.

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[QUOTE=UncleRojelio]
By only having 12 episodes per season from now on.
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Actually 16 eps per season.

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[QUOTE=Sunrazor]
Yeah, but why did he throw the knife when he could have shot her? I think when he was in the hole, he realized the gun wasn’t loaded – I don’t have HDTV, and maybe my mind was playing tricks, but it looked like the shells had dented primers – like all of the bullets had been shot. And when the camera showed the gun straight-on, you couldn’t see bullets in the cylinder – it’s a revolver, if it’s properly loaded, you can see bullets in the cylinder. Except that he was sort of pointing it at his head to kill himself. Only maybe he was just gesturing like that, knowing it was a futile gesture because he knew the gun wasn’t lethal anymore. And that’s why he couldn’t kill Jack and why he killed Naomi with a knife, because there weren’t any more bullets. Hmmm?
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Nope, totally wrong on this one. The gun was definitely loaded, and we could see the shells through the front of the cylinder. My girlfriend even commented, with surprise, “It’s loaded”. I pointed out that an unloaded gun isn’t worth much.

Besides, Locke fired the gun at Jack to try to threaten him into not making the call.

And that’s the part that makes the least sense to me. Locke is willing to kill a total stranger without warning to keep the call from being made, but he’s not willing to kill (or wound) Jack and then destroy the phone? I just don’t buy that - there’s something screwy.

John Mace comments that ‘The Island can protect itself’. I don’t think so. I think Jacob’s message to Locke was The Island asking for help.

Could be. Suicide by hanging would explain the “a beam in the” in the newspaper.

Jin didn’t screw up on the beach - a pistol wasn’t the best choice for that situation. If a pistol was going to be used he should have been backup to clean out any Others that survived the bombs. Putting Sayid and Bernard in places they couldn’t each fire at two bombs was the big screwup. Since Sayid is the tactician, I’m guessing it’s actually his screwup.

Good episode. I noticed anachronisms piling up, but I didn’t catch the flash forward until Kate showed up.

Oh, and Greta was incredibly attractive. Too bad she’s dead.

-Joe

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[QUOTE=simster]

If this were ‘truly’ the series finale, I would be satisfied… waiting until next febuary? I seriously doubt the majority of viewers will remember anything or even bother to tune in.

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Would you be interested in a small wager on this proposition?

Viewership declined during the past hiatus because the six episodes before the hiatus stunk on ice (at least, relative to Seasons 1-2 and the latter portion of Season 3). They left viewers with no compelling reason to return.

Eh. Milage varies, I guess. I thought this was an absolutely brilliant move that completely restores whatever (small) amount of life the series had lost (heh). They had to end the season on an up note - they had to. To have the Losties blow it again, to have yet another of Jack’s Brilliant Plans go egregiously wrong and lead to Ben triumphant a-freaking-gain, would have been reptitive and tedious. But of course, there was the Gilligan’s Island problem - end the season with them all rescued, or on the verge of being rescued, and you have too much closure, no reason to tune back in. This seemed insoluble to me going into the finale. But what they did was turn the whole thing on its head - the ending suggests to me that, at minimum, Jack and Kate are rescued… and it’s a bad thing. Between “Not Penny’s Ship” and Jack screaming “We have to go back,” they’ve shown the Losties victorious, Ben and the Others falliable, while keeping the sense of low-lying dread that has made this series work. And now the storytelling options open to them as their Season 3 begins are as limitless as they were when the series began. I can’t think of a better move, dramatically speaking.

Otherwise, I loved bitchy Charlie in the chair, the Alex-Danielle reunion, and really just about everything. I hated that Jack gave Ben back his walkie, though; that was probably the stupidest thing Jack’s done yet, particularly after going through the trouble of grabbing it in the first place.

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[QUOTE=UncleRojelio]
I figure that it is fairly obvious that the ‘rescue boat’ is actually a Dharma invasion force come to take back the island.
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WAG : I’m thinking that Ben has had a good relationship with Dharma the whole time. He’s been getting food drops, access to intelligence, and remember that Richard and others could go to the mainland as late as three years ago to get recruits (like Juliet). Desmond’s purple sky incident may have disrupted things and maybe Dharma needs to see whats up.

Or possibly, Dharma thinks things are OK on the island, maybe even somehow has been given an explanation for the purge by Ben, and continues the relationship. But Ben has learned more about the island that he wishes to share, so he doesn’t want anyone else showing up.

Or Maybe Not.

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
Would you be interested in a small wager on this proposition?

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I don’t make wagers on TV shows… nope, never have, never will. :slight_smile:

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Y’know who’s in the coffin?

Jack! Jack’s in the coffin.

The Jack who’s walking around is the smoke monster.

That’s why Kate didn’t want to talk to him at the end.

Yeah, okay, I got nothin’.

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I’m back after a little sleep. A lot to discuss.

  • I’m with Dr. J. I “figured it out” about midway through Kate/Jack’s conversation. I also was trying to figure out if it was possible they knew each other pre-flight. You know who I blame for this? That goddamn randwill! I suspected a…wait for it…wait for it…CON!

*I did notice the Razr. I had two thoughts: (1) when did the Razr come out? (2) I’ll bet someone will be bitching about anachronisms tomorrow. I also thought Jack was returning from SE Asia. I also thought the newspaper clipping was either his dad’s obit or his ex’s marriage announcement.

  • The “Temple” makes me believe the Atlantis theory more and more.

  • I reject the “possible future” option. Not because it is impossible, but because I wouldn’t want that to happen. I am weary of the flashforward notion, but you have to commit to it. Otherwise, it is a real cheat. Possible future is a cheat that allows writers to undo bad story plots. I wonder will we see flashbacks from “modern day” and within those flashbacks, we will see flashbacks from their “pre-flight” lives? Blows my mind! Also, you know what really benefits from this development? The career of Malcolm David Kelley. Now his growths spurt seems natural. He can play a role in post-Island lost.

  • Doesn’t Ben seem to suggest it hasn’t been long since he gassed the Dharma folk? I don’t see how that is possible. Alex adds 16 years to the equation. Either way, wasn’t it satisfying to see Ben get an asswhupping? If he doesn’t at least get nominated for an Emmy, I don’t know! And then, “Alex…this is your mother.” As if he were introducing two people at a cocktail party. Great stuff.

  • I will miss Blond Hatch hottie. She was mean and I liked it.

  • When the screen lit up in the hatch, who did everyone expect to see? I was expecting Marvin Candle. I think Penelope was monitoring that frequency since the anomaly.

  • I think for Locke it WOULD be easier to kill a stranger who had no ties to the island than a guy, like him or not, who has stood by you through some tough times. He knew he couldn’t appeal to Naomi. He hoped he could finally bring Jack over to the side of faith.

  • Sawyer was awesome this episode. The guilt, the venegeance, the rationales for killing Tom. Brilliant. When they get around to making a Green Lantern movie, that’s Hal Jordan right there! I could TOTALLY see him killing Kilowag! (heh,heh! This is a geeky joke even for a Lost thread!)

  • Hurely the Hero. I loved how Hurley made sure he noted that HE saved the day. Talk about lucky. The hostiles had plenty of time to execute Sayid and Co. Still, I love me some Hurely. He’s something of a warrior!

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[QUOTE=middleman]
Also, you know what really benefits from this development? The career of Malcolm David Kelley. Now his growths spurt seems natural. He can play a role in post-Island lost.

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This is a very good observation, and one I hadn’t considered. I am very curious as to whether the on-island element of Season 4 will begin right where it left off (with Jack and the rest of the crew awaiting rescue at the radio tower), or skip ahead to be contemporaneous with the Kate/Jack flash-forward we already saw, or neither of these things.

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Maybe Naomi is from an alternate reality. This would explain a few things:

Naomi isn’t lying about being sent by Penny. The Penny in the transmission, who spoke to Charlie, was from the Losties’ reality, where Penny never contracted Naomi’s services. Also, in Naomi’s reality, the plane DID crash with no survivors.

Jack was upset to be back in the flash forward because it was “wrong” for them to be in Naomi’s alternate universe. Maybe this had bad consequences. This would explain why he referenced his dad being alive-- he IS still alive in that reality. But then, there’d be no reason for Jack to be on the plane from Sydney though, one hole in this theory.

I’ve been thinking that the island is some sort of crux of alternate universes. Remember the 4-toed statue? Created by differently-evolved people from an alternate universe, perhaps (Homer Simpson’s ancestors?).

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I think Juliet’s quip about the runway being “for the aliens” will turn out to be more than just a throwaway line. We have to go one of two ways with this – metaphysical and space aliens. If I were a TV show producer trying to hook the greatest number of Americna minds, I don’t think I’d go with metaphysical. But maybe I have too low an opinion of the American viewing public.

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[QUOTE=Sunrazor]
I think Juliet’s quip about the runway being “for the aliens” will turn out to be more than just a throwaway line. We have to go one of two ways with this – metaphysical and space aliens. If I were a TV show producer trying to hook the greatest number of Americna minds, I don’t think I’d go with metaphysical. But maybe I have too low an opinion of the American viewing public.
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This is the same American viewing public that watches shows like Medium and Ghost Whisperer. I’d say metaphysical would go over quite well.

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[QUOTE=Sunrazor]
I think Juliet’s quip about the runway being “for the aliens” will turn out to be more than just a throwaway line. We have to go one of two ways with this – metaphysical and space aliens.
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I’m pretty sure the producers have confirmed the show has nothing to do with space aliens.

–FCOD