Lost 3.22 "Through the Looking Glass" (SPOILERS)

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The sense I got about Charlie’s death was that he saw Penny and called Desmond over. Now Desmond was running there, excited to see Penny. But then Mikhail broke the window. Charlie realized that Desmond would insist on talking with Penny and lose his chance to escape. So charlie locked him out so Desmond’s life would be saved. Although Charlie is only mostly dead in the final scene, the producers have suggested that he really is dead. Not to mention Aaron’s agitation…

The sense I got about why Jack was distraught is that The Others, as mismanaged as they weer by Ben, did have a good core purpose related to keeping the island safe from an outside force. Naomi was part of that outside force, who are bad or dangerous to the spirit of the island in some way, and now Jack has let them in.

I think Jack was just too high to remember that his Dad was dead. The producers have confirmed in the past that Christian is very dead.

The final flashback/forward scene really threw me lol. I saw Kate and WTF! Still thinking it’s a flash back, I’m trying to think back on the whole series - were Kate and Jack just pretending they didn’t know each other?? And then I realize… flash forward. I have to say though, except for that scene and some bits here and there, this was one of Jack’s more boring flashes. They should have just had his be the second part and have someone else be the beginning flashes.

I was surprised they leashed Vincent. He’s usually his own dog. He didn’t seem to like the scene where the water is splashing up near them.

I was sure last episode that they were setting up Bernard for his death scene but nope.

I predict that Ben will join the Losties next year, and Locke will lead the Others, and both groups will ultimately be against the new bad guys they let on the island.

I’m hoping this is just a possible future. Something that can change either through time travel or Desmond flashes. If we have to wait three seasons just for an unhappy ending that would be kind of lame.

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This may have been obvious to everyone but me, but my wife just speculated that many of the references to Jack as a “Hero” during the flash-forward were actualy in reference to his role on the Island and during the rescue, and not in reference to his pulling the people out of the car.

-FrL-

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can someone tell me when Vincent appears? I must have missed that part

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(sorry if this was mentioned upthread)

I didn’t see Jack’s tattoos in the future flashes. Were they there? Did I just miss them? They had some meaning, according to the story of how he got them. Is he no longer ‘special’ or whatever it was?

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That was great.

Let me just say how refreshing it was to see Charlie, with his last gulp of air, writing a message before death on his friggin’ hand managed something people sitting in comfy computer chairs rarely do. That’s right. He correctly used an apostrophe.

Sawyer gets biscuits for life for shooting Zeke, telling him it was for taking Waaaaallllllt, and justifying the cold-blooded murder with our Lostie’s first logical retort: “I didn’t believe him.”

Well. This changes everything. I’m ticking back through past episodes trying to decide if this was our first flashforward. Kate’s bank robbery, for example. Perhaps the MYSTERY of the little silver airplane will be revealed in the story of future Kate, since it wasn’t the story of Island Kate. How about Locke’s hippy friends? Hmmmm? Flashback or flashforward?

I’m not sure what to think about Jack’s father. I thought the pharmacy scene, in hindsight, was meant to jolt the audience into questioning Christian’s dead status, but I’m not so sure. I’m starting to think the two mentions of Dad were placed to throw us off the timeline and that we are supposed to realize it was just crazy talk in the light of the new reveal.

I agree that Locke killing Naomi was out of character. Locke wasn’t one to kill for no reason before and, clearly, he wasn’t willing to kill Jack 30 seconds later for the same reason he’d just knifed an unknown woman in the back. It seems they needed to off Naomi, but it would have made more sense if she had been mauled by Vincent.

Who’s Kate’s Him? Ben? :smiley:

No, I think it’s either Ben or Locke in the coffin.

Hurley still rocks.

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What are we supposed to be looking for?

Also, if you right click and press “play” an audio message plays.

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Correction: clicking on the word “humanity” in the third paragraph plays the message.

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Okay, here’s my theory. It leaves many unanswered questions, but, hey, this is LOST.

Ben spent many years in the Dharma camp. Despite being the son of a lowly ‘Work Man’ (and later one himself) he picks up a lot of info about what Dharma is doing on The Island. At the same time he is in (at least occasional) contact with the Hostiles. They impart to him their take about the mysteries of The Island and what Dharma’s operations there entail.

He comes to believe, rightly or wrongly, that he knows what Dharma really intends, and, again rightly or wrongly, decides that it is evil or bad and that he must do something about it. Thus The Purge. (His Dad’s demise was just icing.)

Beyond The Purge he had to prevent Dharma from just sending more (presumably well-armed) people to take back The Island and continue their activities. To this end he had someone set up the existing Looking Glass Station to jam signals to and from The Island. This, along with The Island’s tendency to screw with navigation, held Dharma at bay for all the intervening years.

(I’m guessing that, although getting close enough to The Island near sea-level in order to affect a landing is impossible without a beacon, The Island can be overflown at a high enough altitude which makes the food drops a simple matter of releasing the cargo at a specific set of Earth coordinates. The food drops continue to this day because Dharma has no way of knowing what has transpired on The Island and wants to support whatever of it’s personnel may still be alive.)

Ben knows that Dharma is still out there constantly looking for The Island, hoping to resume contact. His educated guess is that Naomi the helicopter pilot with the radio-phone must be from Dharma. He tries everything and risks everything, including his own life, to prevent her call to ‘The Bad Guys’ from going through.

Naomi, having been briefed on anyone who has disappeared in the vicinity of The Island, recognizes Desmond and concocts the claim that she is there to rescue him on the spot. Either Ben’s people really were able to manipulate the necessary agencies in order to fake the deep-ocean crash site or she was not briefed on Flight 815 because it was not definitely known to have disappeared in the vicinity of The Island and she made up the crash story.

The radio tower was Dharma’s beacon to The Island. Danielle changed the message from a repetition of The Numbers (which Hurley’s psych ward buddy heard) to her own distress call after the jamming began and it was thus completely ineffectual.
This is just a first impression. I may have more tomorrow.

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I’m pretty sure that one (from Further Instructions) was a flashback because Locke references the hunter/farmer thing on The Island.

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Tilting my LCD display monitor way back gives a much clearer view of the speaker in the video. I’m guessing that it’s intentional.

It looks like Thomas Mittelwerk.

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An amazing episode.

But, as mentioned before, the water level in Charlie’s chamber would have only filled up to the top of the porthole plus a little higher for compression. There would have been a nice air pocket. In fact, the whole place could have filled up and there would have been a huge air pocket in the main chamber. Were there shelves or racks higher up? The two of them could have thrown a bunch of scuba gear up there and climbed up and prepped their scuba gear at their leisure above the high water line. And he sure could have tried to escape out the porthole. And he could have run out and closed the door from the other side before the water level got too serious… I know, prophecy, prophecy…blah, blah, blah…All in all, that whole sequence was pretty weak…

On the HANSO site, who is that talking? What virus? Exciting!

I think Jack is busted up in the flashforward because in leaving the island he relinquished immortality. I think that is one of the things the island can offer.

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What video?.. damn…

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Yeah, I realized it was a flash-forward…about halfway through the last scene with Jack and Kate. I assumed at the beginning that Jack was on the way back from his jaunt to Thailand, or another similar jaunt.

For a minute or so I was trying to figure out how Jack and Kate could have known one another back in the world, before it dawned on me that it was post-island.

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Some random responses and observations…

When Jack is talking to Kate at the end, he says something about using the “Gold Pass” (or something like that, I forget exactly what he called it) that “they” had given them to travel trans-Pacific every week. I had assumed that it was something Oceanic had given the survivors as part of their compensation package (you know Oceanic had the hell sued out of it by the survivors after they got back) but I guess it is possible that someone else had given it to them as part of something to keep them quiet. Jack also mentions that he is “tired of lying” so there is something that is being covered up by someone.

My guess on who is in the coffin is Ben. Jack certainly wouldn’t consider Ben to be friend or family but his showing up could be seen as a “you were right; I was wrong” type thing.

I do think some of the hero comments that Jack was getting was from the rescue of the survivors.

Why did the Others have a direct communication link with Penny?

I’m starting to thing that Naomi’s people are either Dharma or Hanso (or both). We know Dharma still exists since they are still making the food drops. Maybe they knew the general area of the Island but couldn’t actually get back to it without someone there “guiding them in” as it were. Ben and the Others may think that the Dharmites were exploiting the Island for their own purposes. Plus, given the Purge, the Dharmites may feel motivated to kill off anyone else on the Island so that matches what Ben was saying.

Poor Ben. The first time he tries to tell someone what may really be the truth he isn’t believed. Guess that’s the problem with lying all the time.

I’m going to have to think on this one some more. We have to wait until February until the show is back? Argh.

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Courtesy of Sledgeweb, here is a hi-res capture of the newspaper article Jack was so broken up over.

The best they have been able to make out from the article is:

Sledgeweb also points out that the name of the funeral home Jack visits is “HOFFS / DRAWLAR”, which is an anagram for FLASH FORWARD.

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Did anyone get the date of the newspaper and/or the licence tag on Jack’s jeep?
(there was a pretty good view of the latter when he pulls into the funeral home)

Brian

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I was thinking it was Ben too. The casket looked small so that kind of fits. He’s not Jack’s friend or family. Why would Kate go to his funeral? Indeed, why would anyone?

I think in the end, Ben was “rescued” and hated it and probably killed himself like Jack tried to do.

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I don’t think that was actually Vincent. I think that was one of the Island’s ‘Phantom people’.

Actually, I’m beginning to suspect that all the phantom people are actually Jacob.

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In regards to the name, in keeping with the tradition of naming characters after philosophers, I wonder if we’re going to meet a character named Jeremy Bentham. He was the one who coined the utilitarian principle, “That the greatest happiness of the greatest number is the foundation of morals and legislation.”

Hell… my wife just suggested that it’s Jacob in the casket. You read it here first! :wink:

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Ha! Best post of this thread.