When women get a bad cold they call it a bad cold and carry on with their everyday tasks with very little change to their normal routines.
When a man gets a bad cold they call it 'flu, take to their beds and demand chicken soup, head rubs and attention. In some severe cases there’s also use of a small ceramic bell that is used to constantly summon their female Florence Nightingale. It should be noted that in recent years the bell has been mostly replaced by texting via mobile phone.
For those of you screaming NON PC I’d like to add that this is one of the very few occurrences where the female of the species does actually say what she means. I’m sure all of you are aware that generally, when a female says she’s “fine” you should start running
OK - going to write proper game stuff in my next post honest! I’m glad peek’s gone due to his role but I do miss the peeksplanations.
Apologies - it’s a long one! This is a summary of Thing Fish’s posts and please note my opinions are based on my interpretation of DC’s post - you may well disagree:
Signup thread:
Post 62
Is in!
Post 64
References Doperville and that bufftabby should be voted early and often. Votes bufftabby in blue.
Not sure if this thread counts but if it does then he can’t have investigated bufftabby.
Post 116
Talk about Evil Dead.
Post 169
Talk of random list. Supports pleo’s idea.
Day/Night 1:
Post 15
Talks about **pleo **and pede - says can’t see scum motivation in pointing out the slip
Post 36
Thanks JSexton and Diggit for pointing out possible answers to his question (how there could have been scum motivation with Pleo). Directly asks JSexton a question.
DC’s question didn’t actually say did you ask a question so not sure if this discounts JSexton from his investigation but, to me, this looks like direct interaction.
Post 80
More Pede/Pleo talk. Is a bit suspicious of chuc for posting the alpha/beta idea. States Rapier42 supports the idea. More Pede/Pleo talk.
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No challenge here so nothing.**
Post 81
Votes pleo
Post 94
References Natlow. More pede/pleo stuff.
Post 109
Directly responds to **Total **and Special. Still suspects **chuc **though not voting for him.
I think this discounts Total and Special from his investigation though it isn’t definite.
Post 170
Quotes a post of Total. Responds to her accusation that he’s only choosing two candidates to vote for. Repeats suspicion of chuc.
Now Total is definitely discounted from investigation.
Post 171
Replies to pede re Cap Pitt
Post 173
Happy keeping vote where it is (pleo) but also happy with the current macey vote
Post 182
More pleo stuff
Post 197
Responds directly to Natlaw defending peek’s posting style. Still happy with macey lynch. Still most suspicious of pleo.
Direct interaction with Natlaw. Discounted from investigation possible.
Post 244
Night time now and glad we got scum (macey)
Post 247
Responds directly to JSexton explaining he didn’t vote for macey, he didn’t actually think he was scum but did support his lynch as his behaviour was anti town. As it turned out he was scum so all the better. Still suspicious of pleo.
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Again, I think this discounts JSexton from his investigation.**
Post 251
Responds directly to pede saying he didn’t vote for him
Post 254
Responds directly to **Total **for jumping on him in posts 102 and 109, quotes a post that also mentions Special. Says she’s misrepresenting him. More pleo/ped stuff.
Post 255
Long post putting together all his reasons for suspecting pleo. Mentions Rapier42, **chuc **and Natlaw but only in passing.
Post 257
Talks about Jerry :). Is suspicious of chuc’s unvote - wonders if it was made to try and help macey.
Post 260
Finishes his summation of why he suspects pleo. During this mentions Special’s vote/unvote of him. Gives seasons greetings.
Post 288
Replies to pleo saying he isn’t confused about chuc’s idea and is still suspicious of pleo’s acceptance of it once the parameters changed.
Post 299
Points out to **pede **that he never voted for him
Post 301
More pleo/pede stuff
Post 302
Says Hawk’s case against NAF isn’t strong. He says that NAF not voting for macey doesn’t make him scum. Mentions cookies predicted this would happen (putting people who voted macey into the pro town pile). Mentions amrussell voted more forcefully against the macey lynch so is mildly suspicious that hawk voted cookies instead though also mentions hawk said he’d also be happy to vote for amrussell so isn’t as suspicious as he was
So anyway, sorry about the length of this.
The people who he definitely can’t have investigated according to Diggit’s stipulations are bufftabby (if the signup thread counts), pleo (moot I know but still), Total.
Probably didn’t investigate are Special (challenged his accusation), JSexton (responded directly to him), **pede **(responded directly to him)
Possibly didn’t investigate Natlaw as he responded to him directly about peek (this one’s a bit open to interpretation though)
Apart from his suspicion of pleo and **hawk **(both town) Thing Fish was suspicious of chuc. He also mentions amrussell and **cookies **in his last post but I can’t really tell if he’s suspicious of them or suspicious of hawk for the order in which he’s suspicious of them.
And after all that. Although there’s no way of knowing whether Thing Fish ever mentioned whoever he chose to investigate I’m going to assume he probably did. He mentions his suspicion of **chuc **several times though doesn’t ever directly interact with him which makes me think he’s a viable candidate.
That along with all the other reasons everyone else has mentioned makes him the strongest candidate for me toDay. I’ll take my vote off if NAF wants to investigate him toDay but otherwise I find him scummiest.
I’ve read most of today with a growing sense of disbelief. Why on earth have we been talking about confirming Chucara? When did that become our agenda?
First things first - unvote DiggitCamara. It’s a claim that bears some investigation, but it false it’d be so inventive that I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt for now.
That leaves Chucara, who turned her fears over being an early vote-leader into a long and pointless discussion about A/B confirmation, attempting to confirm NAF on a 50/50 guess and a lot of other nonsense. The general vibe was of somebody keen to avoid being killed, but not actually engaging with the arguments for her lynch.
[oog]No, no, no. Fight this pernicious myth! What actually happens is that when women* get a mild cold, they call it a bad cold and then exalt themselves for getting on with it. When women get a bad cold - eyes melting, nose streaming, sneezing every 10 seconds - they do what everyone does and go to bed. Guys, hear me now - women are not the sole arbiters of what constitutes illness, pain and suffering. Don’t apologise for getting ill, for crying out loud.[/oog]
*not all women, obviously
sigh Ah well… You’ll all know soon enough that I’m vanilla townie.
Almost Human… That has to be the longest, weirdest reasoning I’ve ever seen for voting for me. Especially since (unless DC is lying) we can confirm tonight that I was not the one investigated.
FoS Almost Human
But fair enough, I give you… it’s not like it’s brimming with targets.
I have less than 7 hours to vote, and a lot of today is occupied since I have to eat and go out this afternoon. I don’t know whether I can make a sensible vote in the time I have.
These short days are proving really difficult for me. This is the second time the deadline has caught me on the hop.
Can you explain this? Diggits claim is irrelevant to Cookies or would even help it if Thing Fish investigated Cookies. Nafs claim doesn’t help unless he investigates Cookies (but Hawk doesn’t trust NAF either).
Hawk being town doesn’t affect his argument against Cookies much. Cookies has been (conveniently?) quiet Today, so not much new on that front.
Dusk will be much-delayed. I apologize for the inconvenience, but I’ll need to be away from the computer until 4:00PM today (give or take). Since I won’t be around to end the Day, we’ll extend it a bit, through 4:00PM, when it will end whether or not I’m around to end it.
I’m not sure if you have your questions yet, but feel free to try this: (I’ve copied the list from Night 0 and eliminated the dead people, I think. Please double check. Dotchan subbed for someone, but I cannot find who)
Group A
Total Lost
brewha
Rapier42
Hockey Monkey
Blaster Master
Almost Human
Chucara
Group B
Hal Briston
mhaye
JSexton
CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
pedescribe
NAF1138
Millit the Frail
Group C
Natlaw
amrussel
Diggitcamara
Nanook of the North Shore
Zeriel
special ed
Polydeuces
Which group is the person you investigated in (one knock for Group A, two knocks for Group B, three knocks for Group C)
Where is the person you investigated listed within their subgroup above. (knock once for 1st, 2nd or 3rd, knock twice for 4th, 5th or 6th, knock three times for 7th)
Where is the person you investigated listed within their subgroup (knock once for 1st, 4th or 7th, knock twice for 2nd or 5th, knock three times for 3rd or 6th)
Again, double check the names and replace dotchan’s name for the player she replaced.
Most of the action since the fall of Night 2 has centred around the two claims of Detective type rolesThat makes three. players known or claiming to be a Detective. I could see Town getting three detectives working in different ways and each of which gets different information. That doesn’t mean that I believe all three (yet); I’m maintaining a healthy scepticism on both the claimed detectives, looking for ways we can test their claims and inconsistency between the results.
NAF’s claim.
NAF either has the powers he claims, or doesn’t. If he doesn’t, given the way he’s approached it he’d be a deadite. Suppose (for the purpose of this argument) that he does not have the powers. Then he’s not Town, because he’s lying, and even if you think that’s reasonable for a Townsperson NAF could horribly mislead us. If he’s PFK then every time he “tests” a statement saying “I am town aligned” or similar, he risks calling a Townsperson a nonTown. The likely followup to such an accusation is the death of the accused, and he immediately stands exposed as a liar, gets lynched and loses. No, if he is false claiming the powers, he pretty much has to be a deadite.
If NAF has the powers he claims, he’s on a lot safer ground, whatever his alignment. He really is testing one statement per Night, and really gets some results back. By cherry-picking the statement he tests, he can pursue his own agenda.[ol][li]A townie NAF wants to build a Masonry, or failing that find liars to get lynched.[/li][li]A deadite NAF probably wants to build a pool of players he says is Town, and most of whom would be; however, he’d also be aiming to conceal a bad apple in the bunch. For an example of this sort of scum play (from another direction) see Pedescribe’s game and particularly the hunt for the recruited player.[/li][li]A PFK NAF would be using these powers to pursue his win condition. We could speculate endlessly and fruitlessly on what that wincon is. (A variant on Hal’s Riddler wincon where he has to correctly list all the players and alignments to win; possibly with a deadline of so many Days or so many living players, might work.) However, it’s still a poor fit for a PFK to claim in this way, especially when NAF was under no real pressure when he claimed.[/ol]If you ask me whether NAF does have the claimed powers I’d say yes; the gambit makes little sense if he doesn’t. That’s supported by the quoted PM, which has the Storyteller feel.[/li]
If you ask what his alignment is, I’d say he’s more likely to be Town than deadite, and much more likely to be deadite than PFK.
Chucara’s reactions to NAF’s claim.
Chucara seems (from where I sit) to have done his best to obfuscate his alignment by providing so many statements that can be tested. His behaviour in (for example) claiming both Alpha Redshirt and Beta Redshirt is a prime example – if NAF picks (say) the latter statement and gets a “false,” then Chucara can simply claim to be the other, and discerning the truth of that will take another investigation, thus wasting time. This gives the appearance of wanting to appear helpful while actually trying to dodge a bullet.
Surely, the most pro-Town way to deal with the problem of not wanting to reveal Alpha/Beta status is to claim vanilla Town but refuse to reveal what is status is.
Chucara clearly isn’t a Town power role. He pushed hard for an alpha/beta claim (see particularly [post=10609414]post D01.221[/post])). This idea was filled with several questionable assumptions (to say the least), one of which was that Town power roles had Alpha/Beta status, something he’d have known was false if he had been a Town power role (at least, Pedescribe so testifies, and Pedescribe is very possibly in a position to know). This does, however, show Chucara has a significant concern with Alpha/Beta status, and I cannot see why unless it has something to do with his role; and if it does, he’s not vanilla. Thus, he’s probably not Town at all, and that’s good enough for a vote.
Vote Chucara
Diggit’s claim.
Diggit’s claim is interesting. The flavour of the role, a medium investigator, is a good fit to this game where dead people don’t die, and indeed some can still post strategy. (We can trust Hawkeyeop’s motivation, even though we know he has access to only the basic level – his own role plus what he learned here).
Diggit has been deliberately sparse with supporting details, in particular whether he can actually question a dead player more than once, and whether he is restricted in who he can ask (for example, can he question someone who’s alignment differs from his own, and if he does how does he know the spirit won’t lie?)
I have to say that this doesn’t feel like the sort of role you’d give a deadite; they probably just want the dead to shut up and not reveal their secrets from beyond the grave. It’s actually a better fit for the Riddler-type PFK role that’s been mentioned above. Like NAF’s claim, this claim makes no sense if Diggit doesn’t really have the claimed powers.
Overall, I’d say Diggit is most likely to be Town, with a possibility of being a PFK; however the chances of him being a deadite are vanishingly small.
Time to go blow stuff up. This may be the close of the Red Hand, after which it’s switch DM time.
I’m still catching up. This game’s had a lot of twists and turns in the one Day I was pretty much AWOL, and ferreting out the relevant bits is taking a lot more time than I’d anticipated.
I will double check the names and post my PM before I send it to storyteller toNight.
Nothing about my power tells me I can’t question the same dead player more than once. However, I PM’d **storyteller **about it. (Storyteller, please review your PM’s!)
Sadly, I wasn’t told I’d necessarily get trueful answers to my questions. So I thought it better to question townfolk… I hope Thing Fish won’t lie to me, since it would be detrimental to his win condition.
Sorry for the SNIP (for the record my notes agree with yours on Thing Fish’s post.
But are you for real?
With all going on about the Chuc-votes and you base yours on:
That Diggitcamara is telling the truth (about his claim, about the questions and who he asked them to)
You say Thing Fish talk about 11 players in his posts - that about half of all players in the game.
Why do you feel so certain Diggitcamara is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth???
What made you so certain that Thing Fish didn’t investigate some one other then the people he had talked about?
I really don’t see any reason for your vote other then you flu’ [Oog hope you feel better soon /Oog] or a bit of PIS showing here:
No, you seem to be misunderstanding my post. Mind you chucara did too so I expect I wasn’t clear. My vote for chucara is based on the fishing, flip flopping, obfusticating all the statements he made when talking about NAF investigating him and all the other stuff people have accused him of. I thought I’d made that clear but seemingly I didn’t.
I should probably have made two separate posts - one with the Thing Fish results and one with my vote and reasons. Although Thing Fish’s posts played a part in my decision they weren’t the only or even the main reason. Sorry I didn’t make that clearer.
