That’s pretty awesome. I would never have figured that out.
Ahh cool, alas my SH knowledge is not that great, so it rightly went way over my head. I suppose that might imply something, but I will wait on Storys EOD .
That is indeed pretty awesome.
Inner Stickler’s immediate focus on “a” scum godfather is fishy. It may be due caution but it seems like a way to mitigate the damage just done to scum by suggesting Town still can’t trust any alignment scans.
Also, based on his arguments yesterDay, ATPG should now be vociferously begging to be scanned. Indeed, if he is scum he would have known that the Godfather would cease to be a factor, and should have been expecting the crux of his argument to disappear at Dusk/Dawn. It’ll be interesting to see how that argument evolves.
Given Chronos’s preview before the Day officially ended, Chronos hinted that he was Moriarity. yesterday I was wondering if that was the case, but I dismissed it for the same reason Inner Stickler is confused. Why is M carrying out the nightfall. Seems strange to me. If anything, I would have expected Chronos to be pretending to be M when he really isn’t.
I also considered whether Chronos isn’t M, but given that mod reveals are supposed to be 100% true, I’m dismissing that possibility.
Yeah based on Chronos info he posted here I guessed he was M. Isn’t there a clue out there that the godfather role can be transferred under certain circumstances or am I misremembering that. If there was then death would be a good circumstance for it to move, and if so, as Stanislaus pointed out, Inner Sticklers use of “a” could be telling, or he is town and has pointed out that “a” doesn’t imply “the”
Maybe a game mechanism is that the GF has to do the killings, thus exposing them, there is a mechanism to move the GF around. If that is the case then scum would be wanting to say “hey GF is dead, all scans can be trusted”
Then again on checking , that clue came from Chronos.
Originally Posted by Chronos
CLUE: James Moriarty, the Scum leader, can lose his Godfather status under some conditions.
So kind of odd a scum would put that out there.
I agree that Captain Klutz probably muffed his claim.
Claiming Mason had a strong motivation. It is important for Town to know that there is only one Mason left. If Klutz had died without claiming, then a scum could false claim Mason with no one to counter.
He didn’t need to claim Doctor. Doing so was a huge gift to scum since it seems like they needed to kill the Doctor before getting DaphneBlack. Had Klutz left his claim at Mason and not revealed that he is the Doctor, scum would have been in a bind. While they might have deduced that Dr. Watson was the other mason, they would have to take a leap in faith to assume that Dr. Watson was a game Doctor as well. Mason-Doctor is not common.
If scum was Doctor hunting, they might have left Klutz alive.
Pizza baffles me. His post mortem of Chronos is mostly self-serving and largely irritating.
Oh jeez. I gotta stop reading Pizza’s posts.
There is no way to verify that his claimed clue or anyone else’s claimed clue is being repeated faithfully. He could be lying scum. The other player could be lying scum. Faking a clue should be rather easy. Especially for scum since they know their clue is true.
Also, proving a clue is true or false is not exactly straightforward.
Yep. A review of Chronos posts is useful, but there is little substance to the analysis, other than it was all down to him or all about him.
He also indicated telling town how to vote is a scummy thing to do , so that would make ATPG scum.
And diito yep for the clue business
Now Pizza reverses.
I so want him dead. I don’t really know if he’s Town or not, but either way he is a liability.
The whole, “Oh, I was just doing all that for EFFECT” is infuriating. It strikes me as more of a:
‘look at me look at me and look at my case on Inner Sticker’
“Uh, yeah we did, and you suck”
‘I was doing that all for EFFECT! I didn’t really mean it! Look how Townie I am!’
String Cheese please.
From what I have seen ( and I am by no means an expert and I am a few years rusty in my mafia playing) , vanilla town who know nothing generally act consistently in their reasoning and actions. The reasoning and actions may be poorly thought through, confused or wrong, but they have no reason to be duplicitous in what they post.
Scum are generally trying to engineer reasons for a lynch and have to come across as being clueless in their reasoning so end up being duplicitous and have to be fluid in their reasoning. I am sure ATPG knows that what he is doing looks scummy, so is he trying to get town to lynch him , or is he trying to get scum to take a pop at him. Of is he scum and just doing a massive "I am acting so random and scummy and scum would never do that " thing, hiding in full sight.
He is certainly participating though and it could all just be 'playing the game"
Anyway , daphne holding back her results is a good call, I wonder if anything can be read into who is being quite , scum will have to be very careful knowing information is out there and they can’t contradict it.
Not seeing the case on Gnarly though.
Diggit has a townish sheen to him for his clue being false. True scum could have thought that up but I lean town on him.
TexCat’s logic makes no sense to me. Why would a scum Diggit reveal their clue unsolicited yesterday when it was clear Chronos was going to be lynched?
Its about credibility. Lying about having a false clue based on public information is less credible than lying about a false clue when the information that proves that clue is false is not yet public.
Its a bit ballsy for a scum to make up a false clue now based on what is out there, doing it beforehand would have been better. I kind of follow diggits reticence about revealing before hand if he is town.
Could be an elaborate scum lie , but my general feeling is when you have to invoke a long series of complicated lying it is less likely to be a valid solution.
The problem I have with Diggit’s clue is that it really isn’t something that he should have needed to keep hidden. Scum should obviously know restrictions (or lack of restrictions) on what M can do at night. There simply isn’t any harm in Diggit revealing his clue to Town.
The problem is that a townie wouldn’t know that Chronos would be revealed as Moriarty so wouldn’t feel the need to reveal the clue. Only a scum would. So it seems to me that if Diggit had revealed yesterday that would have just been a big red flag and put him/her on the copping block today.
I didn’t mean a Townie should have shared because of Chronos. I meant that the contents of the clue are obviously 100% known by scum, therefore there isn’t any reason to keep it secret from Town. In other words, I fail to see why Diggit kept it secret at all (Day One).
I agree that a day one reveal for a town would make sense but any reveal on day two (either scum or town) would look suspicious. But that was exactly what TexCat said a scum would do:
It just didn’t make sense to me.
Diggit said he was worried scum may not have know that M could not do the kill and thus would have been giving scum that information, story made it clear that revealing clues may not benefit your side. So I can kind of see Diggit being a bit paranoid and thinking if scum didn’t know that M could not kill, he might deny them a night kill. Fits with the revealing your clue may not help, view of the world. Inner stickler in post 777 says scum would absolutely know M could do the night kill, seams a bit of perfect information to me. As a game mechanism the GF not being able to kill is not ludicrous and not telling scum this could help with balance by having a probability of one less scum kill.