New Show: Lucifer

Maybe it takes Lucifer to ‘power’ it? Not that mustache would know that. On the other hand, I don’t know that he knew he was killing the actual devil until he got flashed, so he may have been happy to get out of there.

people are going to hell - but mgt is not there to keep it under control or whatever it was that he did - its like hell ahs gone to , well, hell.

People are still going, I think - just not sure where in the comic book continuity this is - when Morpheus is in charge of Hell (seems most likely), or the angels Duma and Remiel…

Amenadiel is patrolling the borders to keep escapees in place, but Pandemonium is pandemonium, I presumes.

I think that mustache boy is generally corrupt, but it takes the form of taking bribes and such. I don’t think he’s ever murdered before, and probably has no stomach for actual killing.

The coin thing does bother me. Spirit beings shouldn’t need things like coins or wings to move from one dimension to another. But tangible, visible metaphors make better television, I guess. Or maybe the conversions back and forth between spirit and matter do need something to aid it.

This is consistent with the comics - Dream’s mask and other artifacts, for instance, serve as power conduits.

Early in the season they made it a point of emphasis that people aren’t going to hell while Lucifer is on earth. Lucifer even said it out loud to someone, I think maybe the record exec dude that ends up in the looney bin, that he wasn’t going to kill him because he wouldn’t go to hell to be punished, and he deserved to be punished.

That continuity is all shot to hell with mustache guy’s arc.

If the show is being consistent with the comics, Dream is briefly in charge, followed by a change of management.

Ditto. :smiley:

My bolding.

My take on the “lesson” is that he learned that the best rewards are for things done selflessly. When he was being magnanimous for public recognition, it didn’t feel as good as when he did it because it was the right thing to do. Interior versus exterior good. This type of dynamic is one of the things I find fascinating about this show.

So why, I have begun to speculate, is Chloe different? Did “dad” place her near Lucifer to help him learn and become a better “person”? Is she inherently a more purely good person than most people he meets? Is she another angel? Maybe there’s no secret about her at all, but I’m starting to wonder.

I took it as people might still go to hell, but that since Lucifer wasn’t there, there was no-one to render judgement and hence no appropriate punishment. Did he specifically say the guy wouldn’t go to hell, or just that he wouldn’t be punished, I can’t recall.

With the reveal of her link to Lucifer’s vulnerability, it really does look like she’s going to be the Elaine Belloc expy, which … yeah, no. I like Chloe, but she’s no Elaine Belloc.

But if she is, then no, her power doesn’t come from being a purely good person, it comes from her heritage.

Is the comic worth reading? I did take a look at it, but the lettering in Lucifer’s speech balloons looked headache-inducing. Is it worth the effort of getting the eyes used to it?

I don’t think she’s inherently more purely good, but there must be something special about her. Her mother was impregnated by an angel, perhaps.

I’m thinking Lucifer pulled a con job on Malcolm. The coin is just a coin. He made it look like something powerful by having it levitate.

Kevin Rankin, the actor who plays Malcolm, played the role of “Devil” in Justified. Somebody on IMDB made a list called “Top 22 celebrities who look like they can be racist” and put him as #1.

I think it’s worth it. It’s no sandman, but I liked it. I never even noticed the lettering.

My memory is that not only did he say the guy wouldn’t go to hell, he and Amanadiel (sp?) also had a conversation where they both acknowledged that nobody was going to hell while Lucifer is on vacation. Plus I think there was a third scene where Lucifer told someone in a regular conversation that nobody is going to hell now, possibly Maze or maybe the priest dude. Though I think all three instances were very early on, within the first 3-4 shows.

its also possible that ‘no one is in hell’ is still true and that mustache went to ‘purgatory’ and Amandeiel was calling it ‘hell’ for mustache as a scare tactic - and mustache isn’t smart enough to know the difference.

Another way to put it -the only person that thinks he went to hell is mustache, and Amanadiel isn’t going to correct him (doesn’t matter) and where ever mustache was, it was enough that Lucifer’s true face wasn’t a shock.

That’s a fair point, especially considering his description of “hell.”

Or maybe the Devil isn’t called the Prince of Lies for nothing.

Where does Amenadiel get off thinking he can boss Lucifer around? He’s just some measly angel, not a proper archangel, like Luci. Lucifer could crush him like a bug.

You have no basis for saying that, unless you can show that the writers are strictly following whatever template you’re citing. So far, they don’t seem to be strictly following either traditional Christian dogma or the graphic novels.

And in the show itself, I can’t recall any encounter between L and A that implied L’s superiority. A physically threatened L in the first episode; L had to call A to stop time in another episode; and A beat the crap out of L in yet another episode. Those don’t sound like the actions of someone who knows that L could crush him like a bug.