Thanks for breaking my heart again, ex-birdguy (long)

I’m sorry, birdgirl, I guess I can’t help looking at it from Guy #2’s perspective. I don’t know you, you might be the sweetest woman in the world, but when I hear a story like yours, my “trouble” alarm goes off. As in “This chick was in a dysfunctional relationship for nine years. birdguy was “normal” for her. Would she even know what to do with a guy who didn’t treat her like birdguy did? Will she try to fuck me over preemptively, in a kind of “first-strike” fucking over to keep from being fucked over? Will she be looking for revenge against men? Will she sleep with me a few times and then go back to birdguy?”

This could be completely off-base, but I’d need to see some evidence of that before getting involved with someone who told me a story like that. Maybe that’s what Joshua’s wants to see from you.

I understand what you’re saying, cuauhtemoc. I guess the only thing people can do is take my word for it. I know how it feels it be screwed over, and I would never do that to anyone. Through my bad experiences, I have learned how NOT to treat someone, because I have learned what it feels like to be treated that way. Of course I’m not looking for revenge by screwing over Guy #2, whom I care about. Why would I do that? Why would anyone assume I would do that? That’s the sticking point, is that I am almost being “victimized” twice. Because I had one bad relationship, now I have a stigma attached to me, and now guys will be wary of me? Through no fault of my own? That’s like a double whammy. Damn.

I am trying to give “Joshua” evidence that I am a worthy person. We have been friends for a while now, and I have been a good friend to him. I don’t know what more I can do.

And therein lies the problem. If you love a guy more than you love your dignity and your self-esteem then that relationship is absolutely doomed. Lasting relationships need balance. And you haven’t had that for years.

Ask yourself this: Would you want someone who you are ambivalent about to go to the trouble of spending the better part of a hundred bucks, and driving a really long way to pick up concert tickets to a band you like? What would your friends advise you to do? Personally I think they’d say, “Birdgirl, you don’t love the dude. He obviously is crazy about you. If you accept these tickets, you will be completely using him. Do both of you a favor and cut him out of your life before you do any more damage.”

He’s doing you a favor, birdgirl.

Repeat after me:

  1. I will not sacrifice my dignity for any man.
  2. I will not attempt to buy a man with valuable gifts.
  3. I will not enter into another relationship until I have my head and heart cleared of ex-birdguy.

Good luck. First loves are always the toughest to get over, but 9 years is way too long to invest in a dead end. And it IS a dead end. So, please, turn the car around and drive down another road that isn’t.

Let me get this straight …

You were with this guy for nine years. During that time, he lied/cheated/seriously hurt you emotionally (the description is kinda vague, so I’m not sure which it was) at least five times. You seriously contemplated/attempted suicide at least twice as a result of his actions. You went on antidepressant medication when you finally broke up with him.

And you think having him back in your life was good … why, exactly?

You mentioned in the other thread that you and Joshua shared many friends. Perhaps he’s learned of your situation from one or more of these mutual friends, and is frightened of becoming involved with someone who is so obviously hooked on her first love that she can’t properly handle the thought of leaving him and/or living without him.

I would strongly suggest swearing off any thoughts of a romantic relationship for a while, and perhaps counseling. What you’re describing here isn’t normal.

I’m not trying to be harsh, and I hope I’m not coming across that way. But constantly allowing yourself to be a doormat and attempting suicide as a result of a breakup are not qualities people usually look for in a potential partner.

I’m kindof surprised that the most important couple sentences in the OP seem to have been passed over:

You punched a wall until you bled, and then took a knife to bed with you, with thoughts of killing yourself.

That’s pretty friggin’ far from rational. You really need to take steps to correct that. Talk to somebody or something.

Yeah, I think this person needs to make a date with a therapist, not an ex-boyfriend.

birdgirl,

I agree with the others that are suggesting you seek some professional help. Punching brick walls and going to bed with a knife contemplating suicide is not normal.

It’s hard to say goodbye to someone who’s been in your life that long. I know, I just had to close the door on a off again- on again 6 year relationship. He tried to come back in under the guise of “just friends” (doesn’t it always start that way?) and I wrote him a long, very nice letter explaining that I had to close the door on him because I won’t be able to meet anyone else as long as he’s a force in my life. I told him goodbye, that I wished him the best but that I no longer had room for him in my life and to not contact me again. It was an extremely hard thing for me to do, as he was a really good friend but it was something that had to be done, for both of our mental healths.

We had this crazy attachment to eachother, even though we really weren’t that good together in a relationship. It sounds as if you’re in a similar situation. You’ve got to let him go or you will never fully get over this relationship. And until you get over this relationship, you’ll never be able to be a part of a healthy one.

There are a lot of reasons why people hang on to past relationships. My X was sort of a “security blanket” for me. I always knew that whatever happened, he would be somewhere in the background and the possibility of a relationship would be there. I knew I wouldn’t end up alone as long as he was in my life, somehow. I realized that this wasn’t good for me, and more importantly, it wasn’t fair to him. Now I’m going at it alone, without a safety net, and it’s scary as hell. But it’s the right thing to do, and I can sleep the whole night through again.

Other people can be addicted to the drama. I may be wrong, but it seems as if you may fall into this category. People get bored. Being single can be really boring, when you’re not dating anyone. A lot of people miss the drama of a dysfunctional relationship. It takes attention away from other things in your life that you’re unhappy with. It gives you something to focus your energy on and enables you to ignore some of the deeper issues you may have in your life. Thing is, trading in one set of problems for another is hardly a solution.

And like someone else said, some people are just unhappy without a man (or woman) in their lives. I realized when I broke up with my b/f that I had not been single for more than a couple of weeks since I was 15 years old. I’m 25 now. There’s something wrong with that. A good portion of those relationships were not healthy, much like your relationship with birdguy. I realized that I was almost completely dependent on a man to make me happy. I didn’t even care all that much who it was! I finally woke up and realized that I would never know what it was like to be in a healthy, happy relationship and to be in love until I could acheive happiness and fullfillment in my own life. Without a man. I think it would do you a lot of good to attempt the same thing.

If I were “Joshua” I wouldn’t want to be in a relationship with you either. If you have mutal friends, it’s a pretty safe bet he knows the story. You really can’t blame someone for not wanting to be involved in something like that.

Sorry this is a bit long winded but I felt that I could add something here that may be of some use to you.

Good luck and my emails in my profile if you want to talk.

I am so glad that someone finally commented on that. birdgirl, I say this with all seriousness, you need much more help than this board can offer. It’s great, and helpful, that you are sharing here but you need professional help as soon as possible.

Haj

My thoughts on this situation:

  1. You’re not a victim, and you’re not damaged goods. You had a bad relationship like 99.44% of us out here. What you do about it from here is up to you.

  2. Get to a counselor. You’re obviously getting something from your screwed-up relationship that isn’t good for you, but you still seem to want it. Also, you may need to see a counselor to avoid making the same bad choices in the future.

  3. A lot of the things that you’re worrying about now will take care of themselves with time.

  4. Don’t be too hard on yourself. You didn’t choose a great guy at 17. 17 year olds are not exactly known for making great life choices. At least you didn’t marry him and have three kids with him, and have to go through a long, expensive divorce, and end up a single mom, fighting over custody and child support, and having to continue having the loser in your life because of the kids.

I’m the bloke wearing the parrot-head with $6.50…
… if you’re not going to use those two tickets to the Jimmy Buffett concert.

:rolleyes:

Horseshit.

It’s not that he wants to spare you pain. He wants to spare himself from a difficult conversation. Cowardice, pure and simple. You’re better off without him.

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He certainly hasn’t spared you any pain in 9 years, so why would he now? He probably doesn’t even have a clue that he hurt you. After all, you are always willing to take him back after he does something wrong - you must not mind too much. Very bad relationship. Back in college I went out with a guy I “loved more then anything”. He loved me so much that he knocked me around when he had a bit too much to drink - which was often. I thought if I could be the nicest person he knew, that he would stick around. I bought that jerk all kinds of gifts. I got treated like a doormat and then he dumped me. I think back now and wonder where the hell my self respect went. I will never let anyone treat me like that again - and you don’t have to either. There are plenty of guys out there who don’t cheat, lie, and jerk you around, and you’ll recognize that once you get out of this poisonous relationship your in. Another thing, only you can ruin your life. You are letting him control your emotions, letting him dictate your life. You can choose to stop it. You aren’t powerless. Get caller ID. If he calls, don’t answer it. You’ve let him take enough of your life already. Find a hobby. Take up rock climbing - that’s what I did. It’s not easy to “start over”, but once you break the cycle you will feel so much better. Honest.

I’m totally with Kiger. My first love (5 years together, engaged and lived together) didn’t knock me around, but during the course of our relationship he lied over and over again, became a drug addict (went thru rehab to keep me and his job, but not for himself, so he didn’t quit), and cheated on me. He was my first relationship and I was totally monogamous–God only knows how many women he slept with. I stayed a long time. I paid his bills, gave him gifts. I was totally convinced he would come around eventually. Then I went for counseling, moved out of the house and got far away. I saw him once after that, but I knew he was trouble and I told him no way were we getting back together. I then spent 3 years by myself, getting my act together and just being with me. Now, I’m married to a great guy, have a great kid and Mr. Trouble is just a bad memory.

You need time to yourself. No boyfriends, just you. Live by yourself and for yourself for a while. You’ll be much better off.

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*Originally posted by lezlers *
**I agree with the others that are suggesting you seek some professional help. Punching brick walls and going to bed with a knife contemplating suicide is not normal. **
I think I may have been overly dramatic in my long-winded OP. If you re-read it, you’ll see that I never ever mentioned suicide. I never thought about killing myself, I should have made that clear. I really appreciate the concern, but trust me, I am not suicidal.

I know it may be very hard for some people to understand (I know I don’t), and I know it’s hard to explain, but all I was contemplating was…ugh, how do I say this?..just cutting myself. I know it’s horrible, and I haven’t done it in a long time, but I have done it before in the past in times of extreme anger and emotion. I know it’s not normal, but some people do have the same problem. Ugh, you all probably think I am crazy, and who knows? Maybe I am, but I really don’t think so. Just a little depressed, but who isn’t at some point in their lives?

Once again thanks for the advice about seeking help, but I am already doing/have done that.

I’m really beginning to wish I never posted this thread. I appreciate the kind advice I have received, but I also feel like a total dumbass from some of the comments.

Hey that’s great! It’s when you finally realize that you’ve been a dumbass that you start to see the light. The great thing about being a dumbass is that it’s not a permanent thing. Hell, I was a huge dumbass! When you get over shmuck, you WILL look back and wonder how you could be so stupid. It’s not a great feeling. It’s embarrassing. I hardly ever talk about it, but I learned from it. You have to deal with a lot of crap in life - that’s the way it is - but some crap you can choose to walk away from.
And ask yourself why is it so important to have a guy who makes you feel so awful that you contemplate hurting yourself. It’s not love. Love doesn’t make you want to carve yourself up like a roastbeef.

I agree with the dumbass thing. The bigger dumbass you feel like, the less likely you are to repeat the behavior. So feeling like a dumbass is good in that respect.

Man, I think of some of my past relationships and behaviors and cringe. Just makes me think twice about any actions I take now which is a Very Good Thing.

:wink:

birdgirl <------------------DUMBASS
Thanks for helping me realize this, everyone. This is better than any therapy.

I completely understand this. I once went through a bad time when I was in so much pain I started wishing for an outward physical manifestation of what I was feeling. You’re right, it is hard to explain. I’d heard of people cutting themselves before then, but I never understood it until I felt it myself. I never got to the point of actually doing it though.

Personally, I’m not sure calling birdgirl a dumbass is the most constructive way to help her. I thought a dumbass was a person who doesn’t learn from her mistakes and continues to make them.

Got room for one more?

:smiley:

Q

Please note that no one called her a dumbass until she called herself one, and it has been used in a positive manner. No one here has rudely called her a “dumbass”