The police, the military, and fascist death squads.
…gotcha.
I talked about revolution before. This indeed would be the tipping point. You think it will result in a “radioactive wasteland.” I’m not sure we will.
I’m not sure your scenario will play out. Because as I said: they are moving towards a feudal model, not a mass-murdering dictatorship. That doesn’t mean there won’t be lots of mass-murdering. I’m sure there will be plenty of mass-murdering to go around.
No; that’s what the rich backers think they will get. It’s not what they will actually get. They are ignoring that they are destroying the system that makes them powerful, safe and privileged in the first place.
Heck, even if we call it a feudal model - wealthy merchants were despised under feudalism. What mattered was how much force you had, not how much money. Waving money at people gives you no power if they can just cut your throat and take it.
Considering that Banquet_Bear appears to my reading to be one of them (at least as far as Gaza goes, which is a key issue for him, don’t you know), that makes the current back and forth with Der_Trihs kind of ironically amusing.
…one of what exactly? Buying into “kremlin propaganda”?
What a load of rubbish.
My position is backed up by the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice, and every single humanitarian agency on the planet. It has nothing to do with the Kremlin.
It’s what they will be getting.
No, one who believes that, at least in terms of Gaza in specific, both sides are just as bad. I didn’t intend to say anything about why you think so.
…I make the case for that here:
If you disagree, feel free to jump into that thread and show me where I’m wrong.
But you did when you made reference to a post that said “many of them have bought into kremlin propaganda.” If you didn’t mean me: then I’ll ask you politely to state that explicitly.
I’ll tell you right now: this isn’t why I think so. The conclusion of many historians and international experts in international law and humanitarian agencies are it’s a genocide. It started under Biden with his explicit support, it will continue under Trump. Northern Gaza has been cut off for two months now. It’s being systematically cleared in preparation for annexation. All under Biden.
Under Benjamin Netanyahu. Not Biden. You could replace Biden with somebody rabidly pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel, and it would have only minor effects on what is happening there. Biden’s not the President of Israel.
…so you agree with me. There won’t be any difference under Biden or under Trump.
Gotcha.
No; it’s easy to makes things worse than better, and Biden was likely actually trying to restrain them somewhat. Under Trump they’ll be able to burn the entire population alive on international television and he’ll just cheer it on. While rounding up Palestinians and Muslims here for disposal.
…under Biden they’ve committed what many people consider a genocide on live television and many people, including many Democrats, have just cheered it on. They’ve shot children in the head. Committed mass slaughters every single day. And are ethnic cleansing in the north.
You can’t have it both ways. Either Biden and Trump have only minor effects on what is happening there, or not. The reality is that Biden didn’t hold Israel to account. The very least he could have done was accept the ICC ruling. He couldn’t even do that.
You are simply ignoring what I said; that it’s much easier to cause harm than to stop it. Nobody can stop Israel, but they can certainly encourage and aid it. Biden isn’t sending American troops at least.
I honestly have no idea what role “Kremlin propaganda” has or hasn’t in your beliefs. Nobody is immune, and the best propaganda can be completely true, so it doesn’t say anything about you or about the rightness of actions in Palestine.
Anyway, given the OP, I wonder if what’s best for Palestinians is even relevant. The quote is obviously about domestic issues, and you can’t deny it’ll be worse for Americans under Trump, even if you don’t care as much about that as you do about Gaza (no judgement either way), so whether it’ll be worse for Israel or Palestine strikes me as a hijack.
…you are ignoring what I said: that things are catastrophic under Biden and they will be catastrophic under Trump. The degree of catastrophic won’t really matter. Because, as you said, Netanyahu’s in charge.
…then you shouldn’t have linked to that post.
I have NO idea how much Israeli propaganda has or hasn’t in your belief. But I know that they had a significant impact on the election. I know that Palestinian voices have been silenced up and down the country. But I’m not here implying that it had anything to do with your post, am I.
Because nobody is immune, right?
But the video was substantially about Gaza. She literally opened the video talking about Gaza’s impact on domestic issues.The quote in the OP needs Gaza to put it in context.
This topic has moved off-topic badly.
It is closed. I will review it further in the morning.