He Hate Me So Bad FF keeper league

The He Hate Me So Bad yahoo league is now open.

Rule Changes
Team Defense scoring has been boosted as per the discussion beginning [post=8093713]here[/post].
Waiver Priority will remain unchanged; it will not be reseeded each week.

Offseason Trading Begins: Sunday 7/01/07
Offseason Trade Deadline: Tuesday 8/21/07
Keeper Declaration: Tuesday 8/28/07
Live Draft: Monday 9/3/07 (Labor Day) at 10:30pm ET

Keeper Rules

  1. You can only keep a maximum of 3 players.
  2. You can only keep players drafted after the third round. (Fourth rounders or later only.)
  3. A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.)
  4. A kept player incures a two round penalty. (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.)

Hall of Fame
Year 1 winner: mouthbreather
Year 2 winner: Spiritus Mundi
Year 3 winner: Spiritus Mundi
Year 4 winner: The Mad Hermit

Draft Order, Year 5

  1. VarlosZ
  2. Jimmy Chitwood
  3. Weirddave
  4. neuroman
  5. Ellis Dee
  6. Munch
  7. BabaBooey
  8. Nurse Carmen
  9. Wilson
  10. Spiritus Mundi
  11. Omniscient
  12. Hamlet
  13. furt
  14. The Mad Hermit

League History

2003 Season 1
The SDMB “He Hate Me, He Hate Me Not” Football League

2004 Season 2
Upcoming SDMB fantasy football league…
He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Review
SDMB H.H.M. Keeper League Rules Ballot.

2005 Season 3
Yahoo fantasy football signup now open…
He Hate Me Keeper League Mid-Season Draft Review 2006
Season wrap-up [post=7136352]here[/post]

2006 Season 4
He Hate Me FF keeper league
Season wrap-up [post=8131857]here[/post]

Eligible Keepers

  1. Varlos’ Zzzzzzz (VarlosZ)
    WR…Javon Walker (WR-Den) 4th round pick
    WR…Deion Branch (WR-Sea) 8th round pick
    TE…Jason Witten (TE-Dal) 5th round pick
    BN…Jason Campbell (QB-Was) 12th round pick
    BN…Michael Pittman (RB-TB) 13th round pick
    BN…Troy Williamson (WR-Min) 10th round pick

  2. Del Pilar of Salt (Jimmy Chitwood)
    QB…Drew Brees (QB-NO) 7th round pick
    WR…Donte’ Stallworth (WR-Phi) 6th round pick
    RB…Marion Barber III (RB-Dal) 5th round pick
    TE…L.J. Smith (TE-Phi) 9th round pick
    BN…Antonio Bryant (WR-SF) 10th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Jay Cutler (QB-Den) 11th round pick
    BN…Aaron Rodgers (QB-GB) 16th round pick
    DEF…Baltimore (DEF-Bal) 12th round pick

  3. Baltimore Weirdos (Weirddave)
    QB…Marc Bulger (QB-StL) 5th round pick
    WR…Mark Clayton (WR-Bal) 6th round pick
    W/R…Mewelde Moore (RB-Min) 13th round pick
    BN…Musa Smith (RB-Bal) 9th round pick
    BN…Ben Troupe (TE-Ten) 15th round pick
    K…Shayne Graham (K-Cin) 10th round pick
    DEF…Seattle (DEF-Sea) 11th round pick

  4. Rhinosaurs (neuroman)
    QB…Steve McNair (QB-Bal) 9th round pick
    TE…Todd Heap (TE-Bal) 5th round pick
    W/R…Tatum Bell (RB-Den) 4th round pick
    BN…Santonio Holmes (WR-Pit) 11th round pick

  5. New York Fanboys (Ellis Dee)
    QB…Eli Manning (QB-NYG) 7th round pick - kept last year
    WR…Plaxico Burress (WR-NYG) 4th round pick - kept last year
    WR…Laveranues Coles (WR-NYJ) 6th round pick
    BN…Chad Pennington (QB-NYJ) 9th round pick
    K…Jay Feely (K-NYG) 7th round pick
    DEF…New York (DEF-NYG) 6th round pick

  6. Asparagus Pee (Munch)
    WR…Joey Galloway (WR-TB) 5th round pick
    RB…Jerious Norwood (RB-Atl) 7th round pick
    TE…Benjamin Watson (TE-NE) 6th round pick
    W/R…DeAngelo Williams (RB-Car) 5th round pick
    BN…Michael Jenkins (WR-Atl) 13th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Maurice Morris (RB-Sea) 15th round pick
    BN…Greg Jennings (WR-GB) 9th round pick
    BN…Alex Smith (QB-SF) 16th round pick

  7. Karma’s Bitch (BabaBooey)
    QB…Michael Vick (QB-Atl) 9th round pick
    RB…Cedric Benson (RB-Chi) 5th round pick
    W/R…Brandon Jacobs (RB-NYG) 6th round pick
    BN…Lee Evans (WR-Buf) 4th round pick
    BN…Chad Jackson (WR-NE) 10th round pick
    BN…Domanick Davis (RB-Hou) 11th round pick
    BN…David Carr (QB-Hou) 13th round pick
    K…Jeff Reed (K-Pit) 15th round pick
    DEF…Chicago (DEF-Chi) 12th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Denver (DEF-Den) 15th round pick

  8. Culpable Deniability (Nurse Carmen)
    WR…Muhsin Muhammad (WR-Chi) 5th round pick
    RB…Laurence Maroney (RB-NE) 4th round pick
    TE…Chris Cooley (TE-Was) 8th round pick - kept last year
    W/R…Travis Taylor (WR-Min) 12th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Heath Miller (TE-Pit) 6th round pick
    BN…Ashley Lelie (WR-Atl) 15th round pick
    BN…Ron Dayne (RB-Hou) 14th round pick
    BN…Tarvaris Jackson (QB-Min) 16th round pick

  9. Fourth and Nineteen (Wilson)
    QB…Vince Young (QB-Ten) 11th round pick
    WR…Andre Johnson (WR-Hou) 4th round pick
    WR…Keyshawn Johnson (WR-Car) 12th round pick
    TE…Jerramy Stevens (TE-Sea) 11th round pick
    BN…Philip Rivers (QB-SD) 14th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Joe Klopfenstein (TE-StL) 13th round pick
    BN…Ernest Wilford (WR-Jac) 7th round pick
    BN…LenDale White (RB-Ten) 5th round pick

  10. Mundis Morning Glory (Spiritus Mundi)
    QB…Tom Brady (QB-NE) 4th round pick - kept last year
    WR…Braylon Edwards (WR-Cle) 9th round pick
    BN…Santana Moss (WR-Was) 6th rounder - kept last year
    BN…Randy McMichael (TE-Mia) 7th round pick
    BN…Matt Leinart (QB-Ari) 10th round pick
    BN…Ryan Moats (RB-Phi) 9th round pick

  11. Mini Ditkas (Omniscient)
    BN…Joe Horn (WR-NO) 4th round pick
    BN…Dallas Clark (TE-Ind) 7th round pick
    BN…Kevin Curtis (WR-StL) 12th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Reggie Brown (WR-Phi) 6th round pick
    BN…Dominic Rhodes (RB-Ind) 14th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Maurice Hicks (RB-SF) 10th round pick
    K…Jeff Wilkins (K-StL) 15th round pick
    DEF…Jacksonville (DEF-Jac) 13th round pick

  12. Moridwon (Hamlet)
    QB…Trent Green (QB-KC) 6th round pick
    WR…Terry Glenn (WR-Dal) 14th round pick - kept last year
    TE…Tony Gonzalez (TE-KC) 5th round pick
    W/R…Maurice Jones-Drew (RB-Jac) 8th round pick
    BN…Jon Kitna (QB-Det) 10th round pick
    BN…Derrick Mason (WR-Bal) 4th round pick
    BN…Michael Turner (RB-SD) 13th round pick
    BN…Isaac Bruce (WR-StL) 7th round pick
    BN…Doug Gabriel (WR-Oak) 12th round pick
    BN…Correll Buckhalter (RB-Phi) 15th round pick
    DEF…Indianapolis (DEF-Ind) 11th round pick

  13. Fightin’ Quakers (furt)
    RB…Frank Gore (RB-SF) 8th round pick - kept last year
    TE…Kellen Winslow (TE-Cle) 7th round pick
    BN…Darrell Jackson (WR-Sea) 4th round pick
    BN…Jake Delhomme (QB-Car) 6th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Matt Jones (WR-Jac) 9th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Vernon Davis (TE-SF) 10th round pick
    BN…Jerome Harrison (RB-Cle) 12th round pick

  14. Crabby Hermits (The Mad Hermit)
    WR…T.J. Houshmandzadeh (WR-Cin) 4th round pick
    RB…Willie Parker (RB-Pit) 9th round pick - kept last year
    TE…Alge Crumpler (TE-Atl) 5th round pick
    W/R…Antwaan Randle El (WR-Was) 11th round pick
    BN…Rod Smith (WR-Den) 6th round pick
    BN…Drew Bledsoe (QB-Dal) 7th round pick - kept last year
    BN…Samkon Gado (RB-Hou) 8th round pick
    BN…LaBrandon Toefield (RB-Jac) 14th round pick
    K…John Kasay (K-Car) 13th round pick

I’m in.

Cool. Twelve more to go…

As a refresher on offseason trading, you are free to trade away any and/or all of the players listed above as eligible keepers. The 3 keeper limit is unrelated to offseason trading; it doesn’t kick in until the keeper deadline, which is after the trading period.

I’ll post the draft pick value chart once all 14 owners join the yahoo league and I can set the draft order.

I’m in as well… gee, wonder who I will keep?

Someone stop playing this year so I can get in.

It’s amazing that our league is lasting longer than our namesake’s career.

I’m getting tuned up; I have the NFL network on when I’m not watching anything else, running in the background as I run my villain empire.

So, anyone want to trade for Drew Bledsoe?


I’ll trade you Keyshawn for him, straight up…

Much to the chagrin of the other owners, I am in once again. Let the battle for second place begin!!!

My ability to curse the health of QBs will be returning again. If you wish you rival’s starting QB to be injured now is the time to trade their keeper rights to me. Colts fan with Tom Brady on your roster? I’m listening. Steeler’s fan with Carson Palmer? Let’s talk.

So far I’m 4 for 4, from Vick to McNair to Leftwich to McNabb, I’ve yet to have a guy play more than 8 games in a season. You know, now that I look at it, maybe I should just draft a white guy.

Wait, is Michael Vick black?

I’m not sure, his helmet is anyways, besides that I can’t recall ever seeing him on TV…

Give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day.

Teach a man to draft keepers, and he can eat for three years.

I’m in. Someone give me a bucket of chicken and more beer.

I’m volunteering at a burn victim orphanage until week 1. KARMA’S BITCH NO LONGER! Viva “DrewBrees’Birthmark”!

And I have to say, before the whole dog thing, I was absolutely going to make Vick my 3rd keeper over Chicago. Looks like karma was against me even in the offseason.

We’re up to 12 so far, only waiting now on Weirddave and Spiritus Mundi. Not that there’s anything to do for the next few weeks except plan trade proposals, of course.

Keep hope alive, LOUNE, you were #1 on the wait list even before you posted to this thread.

Damn, I was just looking at your keepers. Cedric Benson and Brandon Jacobs, eh? Paired with whatever RB you pick up in the first round, you just might dig out of the karmic hole you fell into last year. (Dick!)

fingers crossed
I’m rather fired up for football. Minicamps are going to have my head turning from side to side like a cat in a house of flies.

I have my personal league open too; got a good draft time- Sep 4 at 9:30 pm.

Send me an email if you’d like to join this one.

I am really not a fan of the current distribution on team defense:

Points Allowed 0 points (15)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (11)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (6)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (0)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (-2)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-4)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-7)

only one team in the league last year allowed less than 14 points: Baltimore, with 12.8 points allowed per game. New England was next with 14.8.

Giving zero points for a GOOD performance (e.g., 17 points allowed) and giving negative points for a fairly decent performance (e.g. 21 points) does not seem fair. It is not in line with the points system for all the other positions in the league.
I propose

Points Allowed 0 points (15)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (11)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (7)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (3)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (1)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-2)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-6)


It’s good to discuss; I’m actually glad you brought it up. The DEF scoring was basically just a WAG based on the discussion linked in the OP. The original idea was that 17 and under is a “win”, similar to how a “good” day passing is 300 yards and for a rusher it’s 100. Whether or not these bits of conventional wisdom correlate to game day is the appropriate question to ask.

Using pro-football-reference.com as a source, I copy/pasted the 2006 schedule for all 32 teams into a text file and then did some clever Search & Replace operations to create a csv file for easy analysis in Excel. (For some reason VBulletin won’t let me stick the list inside code tags, so I’ll send it via email upon request.)

Combining your numbers and mine, I get:

Best team average: 12.6
Average team avg: 20.66
Worst team average: 25.8

Points: 10,577
Games: 512
Mean: 20.66 (Average)
Median: 20 (Midpoint)
Mode: 20 (Most common)
StDev: 10.11

Bucketed Game Totals:

Gms %Of512 Points

015 02.93% 0
023 04.49% 1-6
094 18.36% 7-13
127 24.80% 14-20
136 26.56% 21-27
069 13.48% 28-34
048 09.38% 35+

512 100%

I haven’t yet formulated an opinion based on these numbers. In the meantime, any thoughts are welcome.


Those are some really nifty stats. I’m not quite sure what to do with them, but I likes what you’re doing.

Interestingly, I think with enough statistics like these you could come up with the ultimate ideal fantasy football scoring system by quantifying the contributions from all the various roster positions.